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    Default Who still believes there is no voter fraud?

    Its really hard to find these people since there is no real record of who is voting. This is why the valid ID is needed. To find 17 people this way is seldom due to the fact that its hard to prove a negative when there is no verification method..

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    5,364,306 ballets were cast in the 2012 prediential election in Ohio. 17 non-citizen's voted in that election. A rate of 0.0003%
    Even IF that rate was 100 fold and extend it to the entire country, it doesn't change the outcome of the last presidential election. Obama would have won by 1.97% instead of 2%. That's statistical noise and the electoral college makes this sort of math completely irrelevant.

    Quite frankly, this is not even in the top 20 of things we need to worry about as a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    5,364,306 ballets were cast in the 2012 prediential election in Ohio. 17 non-citizen's voted in that election. A rate of 0.0003%
    Even IF that rate was 100 fold and extend it to the entire country, it doesn't change the outcome of the last presidential election. Obama would have won by 1.97% instead of 2%. That's statistical noise and the electoral college makes this sort of math completely irrelevant.

    Quite frankly, this is not even in the top 20 of things we need to worry about as a country.
    Who cares if it doesn't affect the outcome? If I create $200 worth of counterfeit money, it doesn't affect the economy in anyway. It doesn't hurt anyone as it's just a very, very small fraction of the money spent in the U.S. However, I'm sure if someone found out about it my ass would be in jail. That's why they create money that is easily identifiable. For this same reason, voters should be easily identifiable by having a valid photo ID.

    Don't forget, if they are voting fraudulently, they are using another registered voters name, which means that the voter who is entitled to vote does not get to. Are you OK with some qualified voters being denied the right because of a fraudulent voter taking it away from them?

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    I didn't say it wasn't a crime. I didn't say it should go unchecked or didn't deserve investigation and prosecution when found. My point is that it isn't a problem of such size that it needs the national level attention that it is getting, especially compared to the far more serious and pressing problems facing this country.

    To use your example: What would you think if you saw a story about $200 of counterfeit money being used 2 years ago as the lead in for national level news, "above the fold", "top of the webpage"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    I didn't say it wasn't a crime. I didn't say it should go unchecked or didn't deserve investigation and prosecution when found. My point is that it isn't a problem of such size that it needs the national level attention that it is getting, especially compared to the far more serious and pressing problems facing this country.

    To use your example: What would you think if you saw a story about $200 of counterfeit money being used 2 years ago as the lead in for national level news, "above the fold", "top of the webpage"?
    But if voter ID laws will reduce such fraud, isn't that by definition a good thing?

    And...........citing only specific numbers of known cases (where it can be legitimately assumed there are unknown cases) is not painting an accurate picture. If so such thinking would preclude anyone from citing estimated rape and sexual assault statistics and I read about them everyday.


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    Default Re: Who still believes there is no voter fraud?

    yes, citing actual numbers is a terrible way to examine an event. Let's just base legislation on how we "feel" instead. Or better yet, let's base it on how partisan rhetoric tells us to feel, that way we don't have to think at all.

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    Default Re: Who still believes there is no voter fraud?

    An issue sure, if someone really wanted to revise the outcome of past elections however, they would convince fellas like myself to vote for the main dude over going third party, that will never happen with a Mitt Romney type of candidate being presented as the Obama "alternative".
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    Default Re: Who still believes there is no voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by TJMAC77SP View Post
    But if voter ID laws will reduce such fraud, isn't that by definition a good thing?

    And...........citing only specific numbers of known cases is not painting an accurate picture. If so such thinking would preclude anyone from citing estimated rape and sexual assault statistics and I read about them everyday.
    Yes, yes, yes they would. I can't understand the resistance to making someone prove they are an American Citizen before exercising a right afforded to American Citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    5,364,306 ballets were cast in the 2012 prediential election in Ohio. 17 non-citizen's voted in that election. A rate of 0.0003%
    Even IF that rate was 100 fold and extend it to the entire country, it doesn't change the outcome of the last presidential election. Obama would have won by 1.97% instead of 2%. That's statistical noise and the electoral college makes this sort of math completely irrelevant.

    Quite frankly, this is not even in the top 20 of things we need to worry about as a country.
    To even find 17 people in a system where there is no records of who actually voted, I would say that is a big deal.
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    Default Re: Who still believes there is no voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    yes, citing actual numbers is a terrible way to examine an event. Let's just base legislation on how we "feel" instead. Or better yet, let's base it on how partisan rhetoric tells us to feel, that way we don't have to think at all.
    Come one............you can do better than that.
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