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    Default Common Core to your kids.

    So, is LINK REMOVED just another blanket policy from the feds or is there any merit to teaching the same way to every kid of every different culture, learning ability, race, ethnicity and backround? If seeing "no child left behind" as a failure wasnt enough to convince those in DC that fed blanket programs dont work, now we have common core which doesnt even care if you get the math problem right, as long and you know how to BS your teacher and tell them how you arrived at the wrong number.
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    Default Re: Common Core to your kids.

    I actually do feel there should be a common set of tests / standards for a group of common core subjects for each grade.

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    I see CC as more unnecessary centralized gov control, much of which should be left to the states to control. Since the beginning of the Dept of Ed, millions have been spent with little, if any improvement in education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I actually do feel there should be a common set of tests / standards for a group of common core subjects for each grade.
    But when you tie them to money and handouts, you will always see teachers teaching towards tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS, USAF (ret) View Post
    I see CC as more unnecessary centralized gov control, much of which should be left to the states to control. Since the beginning of the Dept of Ed, millions have been spent with little, if any improvement in education.
    NYC is the prime example that more money from federal or state governemnt doesnt equal more education. More money from the parents however, that means they play a role in their kids education and want to see a worthy return for their investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    But when you tie them to money and handouts, you will always see teachers teaching towards tests.
    Good point. For years, the Army brass always told commanders that the unit PT program should not be tailored to achieve the best scores on the PT tests. However, when it comes promotion time to officers, one of the discriminators is "how did his/her unit do with PT?" If "X" must be achieved to attain "Y", then the path to "Y" is evident despite the intentions of the program.
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    The very worst problem with the effects (I would say unintended consequences) of the Common Core system is it heavily discourages (not necessarily eliminates) teachers being innovative in the method of their teachings. They have to satisfy a metric, first of all, which is very arbitrarily defined, and they also do not want to lose their jobs because their methods are non-compliant in some particular fashion.

    Given the choice, I would skip the states entirely for the most part and delegate 95% of the authority and responsibility back to the localities, they have the highest level of a vested interest in the students. Let states deal with the straggler 10% schools that really do not perform well. They can voucher the system or whatever they think is best but if you give the school and school board autonomy towards making their students able to be ready for the world, they typically will do everything in their power to make it so. It is their own children in these schools after all.

    The common core system can be salvaged in my opinion, but as recommendations for young students to be successful at a given level in their education. I would also outsource that responsibility away from the Federal government over to private think tanks who are more likely teachers themselves, not lawyers, and more in touch with what level of education it takes to get into which types of universities and so forth. I would discourage subsidizing these entities directly in a fashion that eliminates competition.
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    I hate CC. Now instead of my kids learning at school and then me helping them; I have to teach them what the school didn't. IMO its all about the test scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    But when you tie them to money and handouts, you will always see teachers teaching towards tests.
    True.. Just like making salories linked to grades, gets them to push (and if necessary cheat) to get grades up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    True.. Just like making salories linked to grades, gets them to push (and if necessary cheat) to get grades up..
    Funny you mention cheat. I remember the highest paying city per child for school in GA seems to do a lot of that. But what can you expect from a city that is the blue part of the state?
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