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    Default More Unions out of touch.

    14% payraise? Bah, thats not enough. 90% of health care covered? WE NEED MOOOORE!!!

    Yep, public sector unions are crazy and even FDR didnt approve of them. If a private sector union gets too crazy like this, the company goes bankrupt and the union workers no longer have a job. Public sector though will never go bankrupt and the civilians will suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    14% payraise? Bah, thats not enough. 90% of health care covered? WE NEED MOOOORE!!!

    Yep, public sector unions are crazy and even FDR didnt approve of them. If a private sector union gets too crazy like this, the company goes bankrupt and the union workers no longer have a job. Public sector though will never go bankrupt and the civilians will suffer.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...y-raise-offer/
    I hesitate to analyze without more details, this news article presents the information in a misleading fashion designed to push an agenda while sharing little of important substance, assuming, often correctly, that this will be enough to snare a person who lacks critical thinking abilities into carrying on the narrative themselves without spending the time to really think things through.

    An example, 14% increase from what wages to begin with? That's kind of important, also, what is the cost of living in this locality? There are a whole slew of relevant questions to be posed here that this article fails to communicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJBIGJ View Post
    I hesitate to analyze without more details, this news article presents the information in a misleading fashion designed to push an agenda while sharing little of important substance, assuming, often correctly, that this will be enough to snare a person who lacks critical thinking abilities into carrying on the narrative themselves without spending the time to really think things through.

    An example, 14% increase from what wages to begin with? That's kind of important, also, what is the cost of living in this locality? There are a whole slew of relevant questions to be posed here that this article fails to communicate.
    True, what kind of jobs are they doing is another question.
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    From the linked story.
    “County employees pay one percent of their salaries for single coverage and two percent for family coverage,” a press release from Will County Executive Larry Walsh states. “The new plan calls for employees to cover an aggregate of 10 percent of the cost of their insurance.”

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    “Will County employees want what all working people want: Fair pay and affordable health care,” Lindall said.
    When most of Americans are paying well more than 2% of their paycheck towards health insurance, how the hell do you say that is NOT "affordable health care"? Not to mention most everyone is having their health insurance increased thanks to ObamaCare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    True, what kind of jobs are they doing is another question.
    I have done a bit more digging on the local levels, this article does pretty decent at providing a more level discussion with more pertinent information.
    Will County Employees on Strike: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...on-strike.html
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    Default Re: More Unions out of touch.

    The misconception about unions is that they always want more. The truth is, most strikes/contract negotiations take place because the company is trying to TAKE something from the employees. Very seldom is there a strike strictly for an increase in pay/benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    The misconception about unions is that they always want more. The truth is, most strikes/contract negotiations take place because the company is trying to TAKE something from the employees. Very seldom is there a strike strictly for an increase in pay/benefits.
    In my personal experience you are correct. My former company wanted the union at one location to pay more for their health insurance as the company had been eating the cost increases for years. They wanted a family to pay more than $86 dollars per month. They wanted them to pay $110 per month. This was in 2009. The union went on strike for 9 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJMAC77SP View Post
    In my personal experience you are correct. My former company wanted the union at one location to pay more for their health insurance as the company had been eating the cost increases for years. They wanted a family to pay more than $86 dollars per month. They wanted them to pay $110 per month. This was in 2009. The union went on strike for 9 weeks.
    In the case we're discussing at least, a lot of this has to do with the frozen pay for four years running, if the mods ever decide to unleash the article I linked a little bit ago it will go into better detail. Too much going on right now to find it again unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJBIGJ View Post
    In the case we're discussing at least, a lot of this has to do with the frozen pay for four years running, if the mods ever decide to unleash the article I linked a little bit ago it will go into better detail. Too much going on right now to find it again unfortunately.
    If the company's profits showed a continued increase during those four years then the union is justified in its stance. Don't think for a moment that I doubt that case. That same former employer I cited in my example is completely capable of abusing its employees if allowed to.
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    It's the Government of Will County we're discussing, nothing in the private sector.

    Edit: This is precisely why I felt the original article was insufficient.
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