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    Thumbs down Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    http://www.airforcetimes.com/article...25-000-stay-in

    Instead of finding genuine self-sacrificing savings like eliminating all NAFs and instigating a new cadre of Warrant Officers to exclusively “pilot” RPAs to endure imminent lean budget times; insular Air Force leadership is stubbornly posturing with a bountiful fighter Aviator Retention Pay during dire fiscal times.



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    Default Re: Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    Quote Originally Posted by MajesticThunder View Post
    http://www.airforcetimes.com/article...25-000-stay-in

    Instead of finding genuine self-sacrificing savings like eliminating all NAFs and instigating a new cadre of Warrant Officers to exclusively “pilot” RPAs to endure imminent lean budget times; insular Air Force leadership is stubbornly posturing with a bountiful fighter Aviator Retention Pay during dire fiscal times.
    "The Air Force spends roughly $2.6 million to train a fighter pilot and roughly $600,000 to train an airlift pilot." - Defense Media Network

    So the Air Force can spend $2.6 million dollars to train one new fighter pilot or spend roughly the same amount to retain ten current fighter pilots.

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    Default Re: Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS302 View Post
    "The Air Force spends roughly $2.6 million to train a fighter pilot and roughly $600,000 to train an airlift pilot." - Defense Media Network

    So the Air Force can spend $2.6 million dollars to train one new fighter pilot or spend roughly the same amount to retain ten current fighter pilots.
    How about just longer commitments to better recoup $2.6 million initial training investment without same old monetary incentives dangled for privilege to fly and fight in the very best aircraft?

    Currently paying exorbitant procurement costs for new fighter aircraft is contemptible, so now opting for corresponding fighter pilot retention pay is best cost cutting way forward?

    Censure of innovation is really smothering potential for culture change on how we do “business” differently. Creating or defending ring fenced protected corners is dated.

    Perhaps fewer active duty fighter wings is another viable path forward so those pilots who trained on USAF dime can now have their fitting commercial job and still spare some time for reserve sorties or to serve modest call ups for old time sake, if needed by their country.

    Why duplicate organizational overhead, perhaps having Air Force back under the Army like the USMC relationship with the Navy is another radical option to help fund those new aircraft or Aviator Retention Pay.

    Just because all the services could have their own distinctive camouflage uniforms, didn’t make it right money wise. At some point honorable leadership in or out of the organization has to make hard calls to rock the status quo.
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    Default Re: Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    Frankly, the AF would have zero retention problem with pilots if they had a straight pilot in the cockpit track for them. Tell a guy that he can come in and just do his job everyday without having to take a desk job, or other no flying assignment. Hold their promotion possibilities to ???Capt/Major??? and let the (by choice)career officers move up in the squadrons and wings. That type system would probably be awesome in the enlisted side of the AF also. Let a dude do his job without the extraneous upward pressures and you might have more happy workers.(and retired SSGT's).

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    Default Re: Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    Quote Originally Posted by MajesticThunder View Post
    How about just longer commitments to better recoup $2.6 million initial training investment without same old monetary incentives dangled for privilege to fly and fight in the very best aircraft?
    8 years isn't long enough? That amounts to 1 year per $325,000. For enlisted the ratio is about 1 year for every $5,000-20,000... Would you propose that a pilot applicant has to sign on for 20?
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    "That ought'a do it!" LOL! #6 after #8
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    Default Re: Prospering Aviator Retention Pay is crass affront to all others!

    Back in the 80s we had a pilot retention problem and that's when the AF decided to start issuing them the WW2 style leather flight jacket...problem solved. I don't know what we could issue them these days that could convince them to stay in. I don't know what purpose it would serve but knowing aircrews the way I do black leather chaps come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pullinteeth View Post
    8 years isn't long enough? That amounts to 1 year per $325,000. For enlisted the ratio is about 1 year for every $5,000-20,000... Would you propose that a pilot applicant has to sign on for 20?
    Royal Air Force (RAF) a key military ally and partner NATO country has a minimum 12 year “short” service term for pilots.

    British pilots can administratively opt out earlier than contracted term, but it’s on individual pilots to pay proportional “penalty” effectively buying them out of any remaining term time because of the very same costly aviation training “investment” by taxpayers.

    Prevailing “culture” within RAF seems to positively affect most pilots to usually express genuine appreciation just having a chance to fly for a living perhaps with the comfort of knowing they can bring into play the get out “penalty” clause at any time if their military flying “fun” turns into torment.


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