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    Default Hassan Rohani is Iran's next president. What will change?

    I think most Iran watchers will agree that the political power structure in Iran is one of the most intricate and confusing in the world.

    The office of the Iranian president is nothing like the office in the US as he has no real official power or role in foreign affairs. I have often heard the role of the Iranian president compared to that of a state governor in the US.
    None-the-less, this recent election has a lot of people scratching their heads in light of what happened in their 2009 elections.

    It seems the popular candidate actually won! I don’t know if this means that Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards were afraid to cheat again or if something deeper is going on.

    Below is a pretty good article from CSM:

    Hassan Rohani is Iran's next president. What will change?
    Political moderate Hassan Rohani defeated a host of conservative challengers to win Iran's presidency. His style is a sharp contrast with that of outgoing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / June 15, 2013 at 11:27 am EDT

    Politically moderate cleric Hassan Rohani won a first-round victory in Iran’s presidential election, a stunning result that heralds change – both in tone, and almost certainly in substance – for the Islamic Republic.

    Mr. Rohani, a former nuclear negotiator, polled three times as many votes as his nearest rival to garner 50.71 percent of all ballots cast, enough to avoid an expected runoff. He faced down a host of conservatives in Friday’s vote, stating at the ballot box that he had “come to destroy extremism.”

    Rohani built his campaign around promises to ease Iran’s tensions with the West, end international sanctions, allow greater freedom of the press and reduce government interference in private lives. Ahead of the vote many said that Rohani’s candidacy was little more than window dressing, permitted by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to boost turnout among disillusioned Iranians and erase memories of the violent, fraud-tainted 2009 election.
    But with the cleric now officially Iran's president-elect, after capitalizing on discontent within the electorate and divisions in the conservative camp, Khamenei may be as surprised as anyone about the result. The surge for Rohani began just 72 hours before the vote – fueled by endorsements from former presidents Mohammad Khatami and Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani – and has now shocked Khamenei and the rest of the conservative establishment.

    There is shock, too, for all those Iranians who planned to boycott the election because they considered their votes “useless” in a rigged system, yet voted anyway – pushing official turnout to roughly 72 percent – and found their choice accurately reflected in the result.

    “The Climax of a Political Epic – World was Stunned Again,” proclaimed the hardline Kayhan newspaper. One Iranian Tweet distilled the surprise: “Four years ago today we were on the street in disbelief, chanting ‘Where is my vote?’ This is a different kind of disbelief.”

    Khamenei had called for a large turnout to defeat Iran’s “enemies,” and to restore legitimacy to an Islamic system tarnished by Iran's fraud-tainted 2009 election, which brought millions of Iranians to the streets in weeks of protest that were violently crushed amid chants of “Death to the Dictator!”

    Iranian pendulum
    “What we are seeing is a swing of the pendulum, with a clear understanding of what happened before,” says Farideh Farhi, an Iran expert at the University of Hawaii. Critical was the ability of Mr. Khatami and Mr. Rafsanjani to work together, “prodded by…the rank and file in the provinces” to do something “no matter how flawed [the election] is."

    “Once they became convinced that conservative forces have a stake in running an adequately fair election – a proper election, in terms of its mechanism – then the game became extremely political and strategic. It worked, and one has to give kudos to two former presidents who now are leaders of the country, because they have proven they can mobilize voters,” she says.

    In the months prior to the vote, the regime insisted that the “sedition” of 2009 would not be repeated. Journalists were arrested or harassed months ago. Revolutionary Guard commanders issued warnings against interference at home and abroad.

    The 686 people who registered to run were whittled down to just eight candidates by the Guardian Council, which disqualified Rafsanjani as well as the chosen successor of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose second term ends in August.

    Khamenei and other elements of the ruling system made clear their preference that one of the six hardline contenders should win. Among them are the popular Tehran mayor Mahammed Baqr Qalibaf and current nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili. Against such well-known opponents close to the Supreme Leader, Rohani was given little hope.

    But events combined to provide the “hope” and “prudence” that were the catchwords of his campaign. Conservatives were divided, their votes split among themselves. And after a third televised debate – in which Rohani claimed he had “never lied” to the Iranian people – fellow reformist candidate Mohammad Reza Aref withdrew from the race. High-profile endorsements began to pile-up and Rohani began to ride the crest of a popular surge.
    “We are seeing again that the Islamic Republic is a wizard at turning the elections into an event, and always provides us with a surprise,” says a mother in Tehran, who had vowed not to cast a "worthless" vote before the election.
    Today she marvels that the vote count was “so measured and meticulous” compared to 2009, and quipped that her “jaw is hurting from repeated falling motion, chest getting bruised... this election is merely an indication that maybe the Leader is feeling less bloody-minded after learning a hard lesson through his selection of Ahmadinejad [in 2005 and 2009] and is now ready to be more pragmatic to save the Islamic system."

    Hardliners and blame

    Hardliners did not blame Khamenei for the result, but in some cases themselves. An editorial today in Tabnak, which is run by candidate and former Revolutionary Guard commander Mohsen Rezaei, explained the loss under the
    headline: “Why is defeat necessary?"

    “People of Iran said no to fundamentalists because they were unhappy about the way the country was being managed and were hurt because of it,” Tabnak said. Iranians wanted a president who “does not only chant slogans inside and outside Iran and bring fundamentally negative changes to their lives.”

    Votes were counted far more slowly than in 2009, when complete results were published by a semi-official news agency while the polls were still open, then taken down only to be re-posted with precisely the same numbers later.
    The reformist candidates in that election, Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, leaders of the so-called Green Movement who challenged the 2009 result and Khamenei, remain under house arrest in Tehran. The Supreme Leader said today’s result would help overcome the ghosts of 2009. Khamenei did not speak as ballots were being counted, but his office tweeted: “In 2009 was same excitement but w/ insults; this election has no disrespect. It’s valuable that we’ve progressed so much in 4 years.”

    In another tweet, Khamenei said: “2009 unrests were all about to hurt [popular] base of Revolution while West propagandized 'people lost confidence.' No! People & System got mutual confidence.”
    Rafsanjani appears to agree with him. Iranian media quoted the former president today saying it was the “most democratic election in the world and there are not flaws in the election.”

    Gracious in victory and defeat

    Overnight all six candidates issued a joint statement calling on their supporters not to demonstrate or make celebrations until the results were out. By late afternoon, Rohani had called on his supporters not to “gather against the law,” and that any gathering would only be after official announcements and with legal permission.

    “If this result stands, the Western narrative stating that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the [Revolutionary Guard] are all-powerful needs to be revisited,” wrote Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council, in an analysis from Washington. “Though hardliners remain in control of key aspects of Iran’s political system, the centrists and reformists have proven that even when the cards are stacked against them, they can still prevail due to their support among the population."

    Mr. Parsi wrote that “Rohani will likely try to move to the middle now and be a unifying president.”
    As voting was extended by five hours on Friday, there were noticeable differences compared to 2009. State TV channel IRIB broadcast that candidate representatives were allowed to stay in polling stations until the counting was done. The head of the election headquarters Seyed Solat Mortazavi last night said he would look into reports of Jalili campaign material being distributed at polling stations and “we will confront such behavior.” Journalists were not kicked out of the Interior Ministry as results were coming in, as they were in 2009.

    “Now because people are so shocked, they think that Mr. Khamenei has planned all these things to reinvent the Islamic system,” says Farhi in Hawaii. Instead, the results illustrate that there is “real politics going on [across] contested political terrain” in Iran, which shows the limits of Khamenei’s ability to shape events. “The Islamic Republic has developed so many competing institutions, and competing political forces” that the consolidation of conservatives since 2005 was not likely to last, says Farhi.

    “The policies of the last eight years so clearly failed, in terms of improving the lot of the Iranian population, that now there is an adjustment. If it didn’t happen, then there was something wrong.”
    Yet Khamenei would have been as surprised as any at the Rohani victory. “[Khamenei] is the leader who made the decision in 2009 to come out and say publicly that his views are closer to Ahmadinejad. He identified himself not as the father of the nation, but as player in these things,” adds Farhi. “So he is paying for that political mistake,” she says. “Does this mean that he’s going to disappear, and the office of the Leader is not going to be powerful anymore? Absolutely not.”

    (This story was updated after first posting to show that Rohani had won).

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    Default Re: Hassan Rohani is Iran's next president. What will change?

    This is good news - hopefully good will come of it. As I've been saying, if we really want these third world countries to improve... leave them the hell alone and let the progressives within their own culture do their work. If we emplace sadistic sanctions, and/or bomb people... that only makes people hate us and empowers the extremists. I'm just glad that despite all the shit we give them, the moderates appear to still be gaining some momentum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    This is good news - hopefully good will come of it. As I've been saying, if we really want these third world countries to improve... leave them the hell alone and let the progressives within their own culture do their work. If we emplace sadistic sanctions, and/or bomb people... that only makes people hate us and empowers the extremists. I'm just glad that despite all the shit we give them, the moderates appear to still be gaining some momentum.
    I am not so sure that is exactly what is going on after reading a little more about Hassan Rohani. While he is considered a moderate, he is also most definitely a regime insider with ties to founders of the 1979 revolution and has worked a number of years on Iran’s nuclear program.

    I think the most visible change we will see is that Rohani will not engage in the crazy rhetoric that Ahmadinejad is known for. I doubt we will see Rohani engage in holocaust denial and call for Israel’s destruction like Ahmadinejad would sometimes do. What I’ve read about Rohani is that he is a smooth talker and not a hot head and is a bit more educated and worldly in comparison to Ahmadinejad.

    In short, I think we will see sound diplomacy on the tactical level but it is very much in doubt if the Iranians will shift their strategic diplomatic goals or nuclear ambitions.

    I’m hoping he will be a positive influence on the internal political landscape in Iran but that might take a few years to play out.

    We can hope for the best but Iranian politics and civil liberties are complex and confusing to outsiders like us.

    I do agree with you that the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards are more likely to lose power and influence if we leave them alone and let them fall on their own.

    However, we really don’t want the Revolutionary Guards to have nuclear weapons, there is nothing good that can come from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I am not so sure that is exactly what is going on after reading a little more about Hassan Rohani. While he is considered a moderate, he is also most definitely a regime insider with ties to founders of the 1979 revolution and has worked a number of years on Iran’s nuclear program.

    I think the most visible change we will see is that Rohani will not engage in the crazy rhetoric that Ahmadinejad is known for. I doubt we will see Rohani engage in holocaust denial and call for Israel’s destruction like Ahmadinejad would sometimes do. What I’ve read about Rohani is that he is a smooth talker and not a hot head and is a bit more educated and worldly in comparison to Ahmadinejad.

    In short, I think we will see sound diplomacy on the tactical level but it is very much in doubt if the Iranians will shift their strategic diplomatic goals or nuclear ambitions.

    I’m hoping he will be a positive influence on the internal political landscape in Iran but that might take a few years to play out.

    We can hope for the best but Iranian politics and civil liberties are complex and confusing to outsiders like us.

    I do agree with you that the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards are more likely to lose power and influence if we leave them alone and let them fall on their own.

    However, we really don’t want the Revolutionary Guards to have nuclear weapons, there is nothing good that can come from that.
    Getting nuclear weapons is just common sense. They would be idiots to NOT want nuclear weapons.

    Iran's "strategic ambitions" as you call them seem pretty sound as well - build ties with other nations that can help them establish work-arounds past the embargo.

    Bottom line - we are hypocrites for critiquing Iran. America is filled with Christian fanatics foaming at the mouth for the apocalypse, and we have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world - we need to look within our own borders for extremists with nukes!

    Point is, its the job of Progressives in Iran to reign in their religious zealots - we should just focus on our own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Getting nuclear weapons is just common sense. They would be idiots to NOT want nuclear weapons.

    Iran's "strategic ambitions" as you call them seem pretty sound as well - build ties with other nations that can help them establish work-arounds past the embargo.

    Bottom line - we are hypocrites for critiquing Iran. America is filled with Christian fanatics foaming at the mouth for the apocalypse, and we have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world - we need to look within our own borders for extremists with nukes!

    Point is, its the job of Progressives in Iran to reign in their religious zealots - we should just focus on our own.
    Wow!

    Do you really view world political affairs and our domestic situation in that manner?

    Are you just being a flippant with your remarks and your actual views are more tempered?

    Sure, I’ll agree that an Iranian diplomat should do what is best for Teheran but on the same token an American Diplomat should do what is best for Washington DC.

    Our country isn’t always right but there is nothing wrong with looking out for our best interests either.

    A nuclear armed Ayatollah isn’t in our best interest, trust me.

    As far as Christian zealots in control of our nuclear arsenal, I’m not seeing that and remember, I’m an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    Wow!

    Do you really view world political affairs and our domestic situation in that manner?

    Are you just being a flippant with your remarks and your actual views are more tempered?

    Sure, I’ll agree that an Iranian diplomat should do what is best for Teheran but on the same token an American Diplomat should do what is best for Washington DC.

    Our country isn’t always right but there is nothing wrong with looking out for our best interests either.

    A nuclear armed Ayatollah isn’t in our best interest, trust me.

    As far as Christian zealots in control of our nuclear arsenal, I’m not seeing that and remember, I’m an atheist.
    And that's exactly our problem - we need to get rid of this mindset that we need to manipulate and control everyone. I find it sad and pathetic that the USA is fighting so hard to destroy democracy movements in other parts of the world. This is a very destructive mindset. We need to get back to minding our own business, and quit acting like the whole world belongs to us.

    Our hysteria over Iran is nothing but manufactored saber rattling.

    As for the Christian zealots... I think there is a good chance that some time in the near future - next couple decades - the United States is going to nuke someone. The rhetoric and fear mongering in this country is just too strong - we're going to act on it sooner or later. We'll slaughter millions of people, and the Christians will cheer and praise "god's will".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    And that's exactly our problem - we need to get rid of this mindset that we need to manipulate and control everyone. I find it sad and pathetic that the USA is fighting so hard to destroy democracy movements in other parts of the world. This is a very destructive mindset. We need to get back to minding our own business, and quit acting like the whole world belongs to us.

    Our hysteria over Iran is nothing but manufactored saber rattling.

    As for the Christian zealots... I think there is a good chance that some time in the near future - next couple decades - the United States is going to nuke someone. The rhetoric and fear mongering in this country is just too strong - we're going to act on it sooner or later. We'll slaughter millions of people, and the Christians will cheer and praise "god's will".
    No offense but I was hoping to talk about Iran’s new president and his potential influence on Iranian foreign and domestic affairs. I’ll happily discuss the short comings of American foreign policy in another thread if you start one.

    I think Rohani is an intriguing new political player and worthy of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    No offense but I was hoping to talk about Iran’s new president and his potential influence on Iranian foreign and domestic affairs. I’ll happily discuss the short comings of American foreign policy in another thread if you start one.

    I think Rohani is an intriguing new political player and worthy of discussion.
    Fair enough. So why do you hope he will end the nuclear program? He sounds like a moderate... not a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Fair enough. So why do you hope he will end the nuclear program? He sounds like a moderate... not a moron.
    I don’t think Rohani will end Iran’s nuclear program, largely because he dedicated a portion of his life working on it.

    My earlier comment on being hopeful was directed at what influence his mere presence on the Iranian political scene might have on the Iranian people to push for more civil liberties. I think if there are more moderate political figures (moderate on Iran’s domestic policies) in the Iranian government there is a better chance that a true civil rights movement will gain a foothold and possibly lead to the current regime’s demise. We will have to see if that plays out and it could take years to happen; although it almost did happen in 2009. I still think the biggest threat to the Ayatollah is the people in the streets of Iran.

    On the international front I think that Rohani presents an even greater challenge to the West and Israel than Ahmadinejad ever did.

    Take a look at what Israeli political pundits are already saying:

    "Israel has lost an asset in Iran. That asset was Ahmedinejad. With his belligerent talk, he did the work for Israel by creating international consensus against Iran’s nuclear program," says Meir Javedanfar, a lecturer on Iranian politics at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center, a college in a Tel Aviv suburb. "Now we have the anti-Ahmedinejad as a president: Someone who is moderate and talks about rapprochement. That means there is a change in Iran and it is probably going require a change in Israel regarding its narrative toward Iran."


    Rohani appears to be a far more sophisticated diplomatic opponent to the West than Ahmedinejad.

    The thing to remember is that the office of the Iranian president is focused more internally than abroad. Rohani doesn’t have ultimate power, the Ayatollah does. Again, I’m more interested what influence he will have on the will of the people to push for more freedoms, it will be interesting to see how that develops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I don’t think Rohani will end Iran’s nuclear program, largely because he dedicated a portion of his life working on it.

    My earlier comment on being hopeful was directed at what influence his mere presence on the Iranian political scene might have on the Iranian people to push for more civil liberties. I think if there are more moderate political figures (moderate on Iran’s domestic policies) in the Iranian government there is a better chance that a true civil rights movement will gain a foothold and possibly lead to the current regime’s demise. We will have to see if that plays out and it could take years to happen; although it almost did happen in 2009. I still think the biggest threat to the Ayatollah is the people in the streets of Iran.

    On the international front I think that Rohani presents an even greater challenge to the West and Israel than Ahmadinejad ever did.

    Take a look at what Israeli political pundits are already saying:

    "Israel has lost an asset in Iran. That asset was Ahmedinejad. With his belligerent talk, he did the work for Israel by creating international consensus against Iran’s nuclear program," says Meir Javedanfar, a lecturer on Iranian politics at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center, a college in a Tel Aviv suburb. "Now we have the anti-Ahmedinejad as a president: Someone who is moderate and talks about rapprochement. That means there is a change in Iran and it is probably going require a change in Israel regarding its narrative toward Iran."


    Rohani appears to be a far more sophisticated diplomatic opponent to the West than Ahmedinejad.

    The thing to remember is that the office of the Iranian president is focused more internally than abroad. Rohani doesn’t have ultimate power, the Ayatollah does. Again, I’m more interested what influence he will have on the will of the people to push for more freedoms, it will be interesting to see how that develops.
    I can agree with that - from what I understand the role is far more similar to that of a prime minister than the American president, far less unilateral power. For me, his election seems to be an indicator that the democratic process in Iran is working very well, despite the hiccup in the last election. Iran is virtually the only real republican government in the Middle East - the democratic process and steady improvement in education and the progressive movement is the only way to end their extreme religious practices.

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