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    Default Who ties down the cargo?

    It looks like officials and reporters are belatedly catching on the the obvious cause of the sad loss of a Boeing 747-400 at Bagram in Aprl:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/wo...abul.html?_r=0

    Do we benefit from having a contractor handle what would otherwise be called a strategic airlift mission?

    Why are we using the Boeing 747-400 to handle heavy vehicles when it lacks roll-on, roll-off capability? (No, you can't buy my book "Boeing 747-400." It's out of print).

    And most important to me is this question. Help me with this, please:

    If this had been a military airlifter, who would have been responsible for making sure the cargo was properly loaded aboard and secured? What Air Force Specialty Code is involved? Is this the job of the loadmaster? Of an aerial port specialist? Who?

    Same question, now, with regard to a contractor operated jet at Bagram. Who?

    Trying to figure out what to think about this tragic aircraft loss.

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    Default Re: Who ties down the cargo?

    The lowest bidder`??

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    Default Re: Who ties down the cargo?

    Loadmaster ties it down but the Aircraft Commander is ultimately in charge of the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedWeenie View Post
    Loadmaster ties it down but the Aircraft Commander is ultimately in charge of the whole thing.
    What happens on an contracted 747? Also, I've seen aerialport folks do some of the tie down portion of it, usually it's hectic back there if they're hot loading.

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    Default Re: Who ties down the cargo?

    From my understanding, loadmaster is the one that deals with it...if it was a military aircraft.

    All the reading that I have done on this particular case though...the plane had civilian loadmaster but TCN's are apparently involved in loading the plane as well.
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    Well 'Someone' F'ed the pooch' for sure;it was not caused by 'Magic sky dude',he is busy elsewhere...

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    In 2002, I took and published a photo of a loadmaster looking over a cargo that had not yet reached an aircraft. The guy was unquestionably a loadmaster but apparently he didn't belong in the location where I photographed him. I received this response (edited to make it one space between sentences):

    "Robert F. Dorr (author and photographer) has goofed in his photo, caption and article on page 41 of the 28 October 2002 Air Force Times, 'Loadmasters have a rich heritage in the Air Force'.

    "An Aerial Port cargo storage grid location ('the yard') is a secure area for AMC [Air Mobility Command] terminals to hold inbound and outbound cargo while the cargo awaits airlift or release to our customers. For a loadmaster to check cargo in the yard is unheard of. Crew members are unaware of what cargo may be selected by an Aerial Port Load Planning section. Your photo and caption gives the appearance that enlisted crew members (loadmasters) enter the yard to check cargo prior to an Aerial Port completing its portion of the mission execution. Not true.

    "Cargo eligible to fly within the DoD is under the control of the terminal until qualified Load Planners select and the Air Freight personnel pull and sequence the cargo for upload on an outbound mission based on strict MAJCOM guidance. Generally, the first time a loadmaster may visually see and/or check selected cargo for his or her mission would be behind the aircraft when the Air Freight Material Handling Equipment (MHE) and a load team arrives for aircraft loading. At our larger Aerial Ports where qualified "Phase II" aerial porters exist, a loadmaster may arrive at a fully loaded aircraft or enter crew rest immediately and never have to stay while cargo is downloaded.

    "Aerial Porters work daily with our aircrews to ensure DoD cargo moves expeditiously throughout the world, but please give our Aerial Porters their due. From Load planning to loading and unloading cargo (even without the loadmasters aboard)."

    So at what point does the cargo chop from the aerial porter to the loadmaster?

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    Default Re: Who ties down the cargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by VFFTSGT View Post
    From my understanding, loadmaster is the one that deals with it...if it was a military aircraft.

    All the reading that I have done on this particular case though...the plane had civilian loadmaster but TCN's are apparently involved in loading the plane as well.
    TCNs? Third country nationals? Someone who is neither American nor Afghan?

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    Default Re: Who ties down the cargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    TCNs? Third country nationals? Someone who is neither American nor Afghan?
    Correct...TCNs are typically from the Asian subcontinent but not always...
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    Can anyone tell me whether Third Country Nationals load cargo at Bagram?

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