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    Default IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

    If the allegations are true, they should have known better than to get all hyped up over the Tea Party. The Tea Party isn't *overthrowing* anything. They couldn't overthrow their way out of a paper bag.

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

    Senators Ted Cruz and Rand Paul say hello.

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    If the allegations are true, they should have known better than to get all hyped up over the Tea Party. The Tea Party isn't *overthrowing* anything. They couldn't overthrow their way out of a paper bag.
    Really? 2010 congressional elections ring a bell?

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    Abuse of govt, or simple partisanship by a govt agency?

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Tak View Post
    Abuse of govt, or simple partisanship by a govt agency?
    Both......

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

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    Abuse of govt, or simple partisanship by a govt agency?
    I think is even more dangerous than those 2. I think what the IRS is doing is all about self preservation. When an government agency thinks that is above the people who they are supposed to serve and that they can oppress people to their agenda that sets a very dangerous precedent and it should be stop and heads should roll on this.

    After all what the Tea Party represents? Like it or not they represent an existential threat to the IRS. And the IRS responded back by intimidating people who share that Tea Party philosophy. Today is the TP being targeted tomorrow can be anyone whom the IRS deems a threat against them. Very dangerous path is you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunch View Post
    I think is even more dangerous than those 2. I think what the IRS is doing is all about self preservation. When an government agency thinks that is above the people who they are supposed to serve and that they can oppress people to their agenda that sets a very dangerous precedent and it should be stop and heads should roll on this.

    After all what the Tea Party represents? Like it or not they represent an existential threat to the IRS. And the IRS responded back by intimidating people who share that Tea Party philosophy. Today is the TP being targeted tomorrow can be anyone whom the IRS deems a threat against them. Very dangerous path is you ask me.
    HEADS WILL ROLL, LIKE BENGHAZI!!!

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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

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    Abuse of govt, or simple partisanship by a govt agency?
    In most instances, those two terms are interchangeable. In my opinion, partisanship is abuse of government.
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    Default Re: IRS officials knew of agentsí tea party targeting in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunch View Post
    I think is even more dangerous than those 2. I think what the IRS is doing is all about self preservation.Whenan government agency thinks that is above the people who they are supposed to serve and that they can oppress people to their agenda that sets a very dangerous precedent and it should be stop and heads should roll on this.

    After all what the Tea Party represents? Like it or not they represent an existential threat to the IRS. And the IRS responded back by intimidating people who share that Tea Party philosophy. Today is the TP being targeted tomorrow can be anyone whom the IRS deems a threat against them. Very dangerous path is you ask me.
    This is true and holds true for every government agency, which is why our government is an alphabet soup...

    From the Secret Service to the ATF and many other government agencies that long went obsolete and they found new purposes for themselves for self-preservation. Reagan was right when we said a government program is the closest thing we will come to eternity on this earth.

    The Secret Service's initial responsibility was to investigate counterfeiting of U.S. currency, which was rampant following the U.S. Civil War. The agency then evolved into the United States' first domestic intelligence and counterintelligence agency. Many of the agency's missions were later taken over by subsequent agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
    The ATF was formerly part of the United States Department of the Treasury, having been formed in 1886 as the "Revenue Laboratory" within the Treasury Department's Bureau of Internal Revenue. The history of ATF can be subsequently traced to the time of the revenuers or "revenoors" and the Bureau of Prohibition, which was formed as a unit of the Bureau of Internal Revenue in 1920, was made an independent agency within the Treasury Department in 1927, was transferred to the Justice Department in 1930, and became, briefly, a division of the FBI in 1933.
    In July 1862, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln and Congress created the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted a temporary income tax to pay war expenses.

    Income taxes evolved, but in 1894 the Supreme Court declared the Income Tax of 1894 unconstitutional in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.. The federal government scrambled to raise money.
    Thus come the Income Tax Amendment and the IRS...

    The 1901 assassination of President McKinley created an urgent perception that America was under threat from anarchists. The Department of Justice and the Department of Labor had been keeping records on anarchists for years, but President Theodore Roosevelt wanted more power to monitor them.

    President Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to create an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.

    The USA PATRIOT Act increased the powers allotted to the FBI, especially in wiretapping and monitoring of Internet activity. One of the most controversial provisions of the act is the so-called sneak and peek provision, granting the FBI powers to search a house while the residents are away, and not requiring them to notify the residents for several weeks afterwards.
    Eleven months earlier, in 1944, William J. Donovan, the OSS's creator, proposed to President Franklin D. Roosevelt to create a new organization directly supervised by the President: "which will procure intelligence both by overt and covert methods and will at the same time provide intelligence guidance, determine national intelligence objectives, and correlate the intelligence material collected by all government agencies.
    If you remember, DHS was created to streamline the intelligence from all government agencies too...

    In a special message to Congress on December 19, 1945, President Harry Truman proposed creation of a unified department of state defense, citing both wasteful military spending and inter-departmental conflicts. Deliberations in Congress went on for months focusing heavily on the role of the military in society and the threat of granting too much military power to the executive.
    Because we don't have wasteful military spending and inter-departmental conflicts today...
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