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    Default Airmen apply Icy Hot to their genitals

    Unfortunately this isn’t another miracle tactic to pass the PT test but it is testimony from one of the recent MTI court-martials.

    I would like to think that I would have flat out refused to have done that crap if ordered to do so by a TI; however, I can’t say with a hundred percent certainty as an 18 year old recruit that I would have refused the order.

    I’ll ask the question to you guys.

    Would you have refused to play TSgt Bass’s shower games? Would you have chosen to be recycled or applied the icy hot?

    Excerpts from story and link are below:

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    The testimony Wednesday centered on a group of trainees in Lackland in fall 2009, when Bass was certifying a new drill sergeant. Both oversaw the group of 50 to 60 trainees, called a band flight because the members could play musical instruments.

    The first to testify was Tech. Sgt. James McBride, the new drill sergeant. Testifying with immunity from prosecution, he said Bass at times sent him home or allowed him to run errands when some of the alleged hazing and misconduct occurred. But he did describe a distraught group of trainees he encountered upon his return after what prosecutors call the shower incident.

    Witnesses blush

    The other five witnesses, three still in the military and two now civilians, will not be identified because of the sexual nature of the charges.
    Two in uniform blushed at times while testifying.

    The trainee witnesses said they did what they were told because they feared their basic training would be prolonged if they didn't.

    They talked of being ordered, while naked in the shower with bodies touching, to reach as high as they could and to bend over and touch the wall as low as they could.

    One told of being called into Bass' office and ordered to apply Icy Hot muscle cream to his genitals. He said he hurt for hours and he was not allowed to wash it off.
    Another said he was called into Bass' office and given an option of the Icy Hot or taking the risk of having his basic training extended. He said he chose the Icy Hot, saying washing it off would have made it worse.

    All told of an incident when their trainee leaders were brought out in their underwear and ordered to do pushups while the rest of the group was ordered to mock and laugh.

    One talked of being ordered to take multiple showers and shave all his body hair except for his arms and legs. Bass also ordered him to write his girlfriend an emotional break-up letter. Another told the jury Bass slammed him against the wall in his office.

    No misconduct reports

    None of Wednesday's witnesses reported any misconduct until investigators in the Lackland scandal case approached them several years later.

    http://www.sunherald.com/2013/04/17/...s-in-case.html

    Witnesses said Bass shared one or two beers with his trainee leaders at the end of the 8 1/2-week course.

    Another told the military court he saw several basic trainees lying on their backs in the shower area with their arms and legs up like roaches.

    They were "sweating and appeared to be in pain" while other trainees were ordered to defecate in the toilets and not flush. The showers were turned on hot to create steam.

    All told some version of being ordered to strip and pack into a shower.

    Testimony from trainee leaders in the group was more favorable and two cited the almost four-year lag for their failure to remember details, but they confirmed drinking with Bass.

    The military trial is being held at Keesler Air Force Base in Biloxi because Bass is stationed there. It is the first case connected with the Lackland sex scandal that became public last year to be tried somewhere other than Lackland, the Texas base that handles basic training for the Air Force.

    Bass is also accused of forcible sodomy, a charge that carries life in prison, and having an unprofessional relationship with a man he supervised in 2007 and 2008, while he was deployed in Kyrgyzstan.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/04/1...treatment.html
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    Default Re: Airmen apply Icy Hot to their genitals

    I'm not sure what Icy Hot is. I took basic training in summer 1957 and was 17 years old. I cannot imagine refusing any order from the instructor. The term then was Training Instructor (TI) and some were the same rank as me, E-2. Few were higher rank than E-4 or E-5.

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    Icy hot is an over the counter topical cream that is for muscle therapy to relieve mild discomfort after injury or over exertion. It starts off cold then gives you a very warm feeling. There is a very common prank in locker rooms where you put some in a guys jock and once they start to run around it burns like a son of a gun. I dont think it actually damages skin, but on the sensitive skin of the genitals it is very painful and could damage someone with sensitive skin. Im pretty sure it says keep away from mucus membranes and genitals on the label. I wouldnt dream of doing that to females due to serious injury.
    The fact that it was band nerds who perhaps never played sports or dealt with locker room type horseplay are of course more apt to not go along with it. That being said, those things shouldnt be done by TIs. Perhaps amongst trainees but not from the supervision.

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    I guess bob never saw revenge of the nerds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
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    Bass is also accused of forcible sodomy, a charge that carries life in prison, and having an unprofessional relationship with a man he supervised in 2007 and 2008, while he was deployed in Kyrgyzstan.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/04/1...treatment.html
    So a gay guy openly abused his position and got to force men to bend over naked in the shower to look at their anuses. But heterosexual MTI is not allowed to look into a shower filled with heterosexual women? I see a double standard open to continued abuses. However, the PC AF will blindly look past this and still allow gay people to be MTI. I won't agree on gay MTIs until heterosexual TI are allowed in view of opposite sex showers. I do believe lesbians can be MTIs. Am I the only one who sees the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredretiredE7 View Post
    So a gay guy openly abused his position and got to force men to bend over naked in the shower to look at their anuses. But heterosexual MTI is not allowed to look into a shower filled with heterosexual women? I see a double standard open to continued abuses. However, the PC AF will blindly look past this and still allow gay people to be MTI. I won't agree on gay MTIs until heterosexual TI are allowed in view of opposite sex showers. I do believe lesbians can be MTIs. Am I the only one who sees the problem?
    Iím going to assume that you are being sarcastic; even so, I had to read that five times and Iím not sure what your beef is.

    Do you want sexual predators, regardless of their orientation, to have equal access to their potential victims?

    Iím not sure if that is what you were talking about but it reminded me of the Army chaplain who wrote that long letter to Stars and Stripes a few years ago complaining that he didnít want to be ďeye candyĒ for homosexuals in the shower. Anyway, I think you were joking so it doesnít matter.

    Would you have chosen to apply Icy Hot or asked to be recycled in basic training?

    I think I would have asked to be recycled because it would have given me a chance to talk to a First Sergeant or the CC.

    However, at 18 years old I canít say that I would have figured out that the TI was bluffing and really putting himself in a risky position of having his chain find out about what he was doing to the trainees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    Iím going to assume that you are being sarcastic; even so, I had to read that five times and Iím not sure what your beef is.
    Whatever his beef is I'm sure it will end up the fault of CMSgt's everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUWIN View Post
    Whatever his beef is I'm sure it will end up the fault of CMSgt's everywhere.
    Yes, that mti had a chief.

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    He got away wih abusing a subordinate at Manas then he went to the one place he could do as he pleased and no one would stand up to him.
    This calls for a delicate blend of psychology and extreme violence. Vyvyan, The Young Ones

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    Default Re: Airmen apply Icy Hot to their genitals

    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    Iím going to assume that you are being sarcastic; even so, I had to read that five times and Iím not sure what your beef is.

    Do you want sexual predators, regardless of their orientation, to have equal access to their potential victims?

    Iím not sure if that is what you were talking about but it reminded me of the Army chaplain who wrote that long letter to Stars and Stripes a few years ago complaining that he didnít want to be ďeye candyĒ for homosexuals in the shower. Anyway, I think you were joking so it doesnít matter.
    I am not joking and I brought up this same scenario when DADT was repealed. There are some jobs homosexuals should not be allowed to perform in the AF. You are missing a very valid point that I am trying to make. AF can no longer have a muscle magazine on their desk because it might be offensive. How it is not offensive for a gay man to be able to look at a shower full of naked dudes? How it is any different for a heterosexual man to be reading a pornographic magazine at his desk? There is clearly a double standard for gay men. I would be very offended to have some gay man staring at my naked body while I was in the shower. I guess it would not bother you if a gay guy was staring at you naked in the showering and imagining all of the things he would like to do to your body? Again, there is clearly a double standard for homosexuals.

    My prediction is a LOR, a fine no loss of rank and retained on active duty due to the PC of the AF if this even goes to court martial.

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