Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 26

Thread: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    retired usa
    Posts
    859
    Likes (Received)
    56
    Thanks (Received)
    8

    Default TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Even TriCare standard has proposed rate increases. First President Obama took your TA and now is attempting to raise rates for all of TriCare. Thanks to the useful idiots who are AD or retired and voted for President Obama. i will make it simple for AD voters. Democrats cut military pay and your future retirement benefits, Republicans add or increase your military pay or benefits. Hopefully the Republicans will make the changes are per the previous years.

    http://www.militarytimes.com/article...ew-budget-plan
    Last edited by tiredretiredE7; 04-10-2013 at 05:44 PM.

  2. #2
    Tak Guest

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    I am not sure, but I thought I read somewhere, vets with XX% disability would be exempt from increase in rates.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Posts
    697
    Likes (Received)
    4
    Thanks (Received)
    4

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Wait, President Obama took away TA? I thought that was each specific military branch?

    When did the democrats cut our pay? Or are you saying that we are getting lower increases in pay? That is a huge difference with strategic wording you have there.
    "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
    -Michael Scott

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Mars
    Posts
    1,028
    Likes (Received)
    262
    Thanks (Received)
    28

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Yea brother, I am a Republican and that's just a load of nonsense. Obama might have been the brainchild behind sequestration, but his only fault is letting the idiots that made the decisions that put us in this mess make the decisions on where to cut. Republicans love the sequestration because it forces the cuts in spending with Dems powerless to stop it. Again though, Congress is just as much to blame for it all, because as you notice none of these fatcats in Washington or the Pentagon are suffering - just US.

    So Obama's idea, backed by Republicans set in. Then they all said to the department leads - make the cuts. Well the department leads ARE THE CAUSE of the waste and abuse of taxpayer money. Where are you going to cut? You going to cut YOUR staff, YOUR benefits? Hell no. Cut from the bottom. Take from the little guy. And so they did. Each branch of service that cut TA cut TA on their own, knowing that "the little guy" - who are large in number, would raise a VERY loud stink. This is nothing more than a political play to Congress and Obama to get them to change their line of thinking. It backfired, because Congress how now said "Restore it, but we aren't funding it". That means the cuts will have to come from somewhere else. Commissaries are already bleeding out by cutting hours to all their part timers. So it has to come from something else. DFACs? Fitness centers? Limited operating hours for base facilities like the BX, etc where the base has to pay for utilities? More augmentee taskings to fill in for slots that get cut or trimmed? (I remember at my previous base military members had to staff the School Age program)

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's a shit move to raise Tricare premiums. All these thoughtless think tanks that are collecting big checks from people asking for THEIR opinion are forming opinions based on what their employers want to hear. Why? So they get more business. If you pay me MILLIONS of dollars to "think tank" something...if I want you to come back to me later, I am going to make sure you are happy with what I have "tanked". These people completely leave out the constant deployments, time away from families, poor living conditions, poor health and sanitation, overexposure to physical and mental traumas, etc.

    At the same time, a few bucks more in a hike isn't going to kill anybody. It's going to happen someday...we can't stop it.

    My opinion on this is that the hikes should be tiered. Retired Generals should get a larger hike than a retired E6. Disabled retirees and veterans should get no hike, or the lowest of the low (basically a percentage rate of retirement..say 1-2% of retired pay).

    But then, my stance is always lead from the front. Want to raise ours? Raise yours first. Cut our benefits? Cut yours first.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Civilian World
    Posts
    1,347
    Likes (Received)
    218
    Thanks (Received)
    24

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Drackore View Post
    Yea brother, I am a Republican and that's just a load of nonsense. Obama might have been the brainchild behind sequestration, but his only fault is letting the idiots that made the decisions that put us in this mess make the decisions on where to cut. Republicans love the sequestration because it forces the cuts in spending with Dems powerless to stop it. Again though, Congress is just as much to blame for it all, because as you notice none of these fatcats in Washington or the Pentagon are suffering - just US.

    So Obama's idea, backed by Republicans set in. Then they all said to the department leads - make the cuts. Well the department leads ARE THE CAUSE of the waste and abuse of taxpayer money. Where are you going to cut? You going to cut YOUR staff, YOUR benefits? Hell no. Cut from the bottom. Take from the little guy. And so they did. Each branch of service that cut TA cut TA on their own, knowing that "the little guy" - who are large in number, would raise a VERY loud stink. This is nothing more than a political play to Congress and Obama to get them to change their line of thinking. It backfired, because Congress how now said "Restore it, but we aren't funding it". That means the cuts will have to come from somewhere else. Commissaries are already bleeding out by cutting hours to all their part timers. So it has to come from something else. DFACs? Fitness centers? Limited operating hours for base facilities like the BX, etc where the base has to pay for utilities? More augmentee taskings to fill in for slots that get cut or trimmed? (I remember at my previous base military members had to staff the School Age program)

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's a shit move to raise Tricare premiums. All these thoughtless think tanks that are collecting big checks from people asking for THEIR opinion are forming opinions based on what their employers want to hear. Why? So they get more business. If you pay me MILLIONS of dollars to "think tank" something...if I want you to come back to me later, I am going to make sure you are happy with what I have "tanked". These people completely leave out the constant deployments, time away from families, poor living conditions, poor health and sanitation, overexposure to physical and mental traumas, etc.

    At the same time, a few bucks more in a hike isn't going to kill anybody. It's going to happen someday...we can't stop it.

    My opinion on this is that the hikes should be tiered. Retired Generals should get a larger hike than a retired E6. Disabled retirees and veterans should get no hike, or the lowest of the low (basically a percentage rate of retirement..say 1-2% of retired pay).

    But then, my stance is always lead from the front. Want to raise ours? Raise yours first. Cut our benefits? Cut yours first.
    Maybe not fly B-2's around the world just to piss off another country?!

    Or maybe not have spent your money at the proposed increased spending limits all year knowing sequestration was a posibility...
    Last edited by VFFTSGT; 04-10-2013 at 08:47 PM.

  6. #6
    Tak Guest

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    the increases are not trivial
    http://www.military.com/benefits/tri...e-changes.html

    Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.
    According to congressional assessments, a retired Army colonel with a family currently paying $460 a year for health care will pay $2,048.
    The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.
    The changes are worrying some in the Pentagon who fear it will severely impact efforts to recruit and maintain a high-quality all-volunteer military force. Such benefits have been a key tool for recruiting qualified people and keeping them in uniform.
    “Would you stay with a car insurance company that raised your premiums by 345 percent in five years? Probably not,” said the congressional aide. “Would anybody accept their taxes being raised 345 percent in five years? Probably not.”
    A second congressional aide said the administration’s approach to the cuts shows a double standard that hurts the military.
    “We all recognize that we are in a time of austerity,” this aide said. “But defense has made up to this point 50 percent of deficit reduction cuts that we agreed to, but is only 20 percent of the budget.”
    The administration is asking troops to get by without the equipment and force levels needed for global missions. “And now they are going to them again and asking them to pay more for their health care when you’ve held the civilian workforce at DoD and across the federal government virtually harmless in all of these cuts. And it just doesn’t seem fair,” the second aide said.
    Spokesmen for the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not respond to requests for comment on the Tricare increases.
    The massive increases beginning next year appear timed to avoid upsetting military voters in a presidential election year, critics of the plan say.
    Additionally, the critics said leaving civilian workers’ benefits unchanged while hitting the military reflect the administration’s effort to court labor unions, as government unions are the only segment of organized labor that has increased in recent years.
    As part of the increased healthcare costs, the Pentagon also will impose an annual fee for a program called Tricare for Life, a new program that all military retirees automatically must join at age 65. Currently, to enroll in Tricare for Life, retirees pay the equivalent of a monthly Medicare premium.
    Under the proposed Pentagon plan, retirees will be hit with an additional annual enrollment fee on top of the monthly premium.
    Congressional aides said that despite unanimous support among the military chiefs for the current healthcare changes, some senior officials in the Pentagon are opposing the reforms, in particular the tiered system of healthcare.
    “It doesn’t matter what the benefit is, whether it’s commissary, PX, or healthcare, or whatever … under the rationale that if you raise your hand and sign up to serve, you earn a base set of benefits, and it should have nothing to do with your rank when you served, and how much you’re making when you retire,” the first aide said.
    Military service organizations are opposing the healthcare changes and say the Pentagon is “means-testing” benefits for service personnel as if they were a social program, and not something earned with 20 or more years of military service.
    Last edited by Tak; 04-10-2013 at 09:16 PM.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    the moon
    Posts
    1,250
    Likes (Received)
    88
    Thanks (Received)
    2

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    So health care should be free?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    The Debt Star
    Posts
    492
    Likes (Received)
    9
    Thanks (Received)
    1

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Soooo time to stop having kids, eh?

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    West Coast, USA
    Posts
    1,598
    Likes (Received)
    205
    Thanks (Received)
    32

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    WTF? Wasn't there a law just recently passed limiting Tricare annual premium increases to the percentage of the annual retired pay COLA? I can proudly say I never voted for this guy, either time. Hopefully the House will put the kibosh on this financial rape attempt.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    everywhere
    Posts
    1,029
    Likes (Received)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    46

    Default Re: TriCare increases proposed by President Obama

    Not trivial is such a relativistic term, and consequently is almost meaningless. The article you quoted uses percentage increases, and cites what a 30 year retired full-bird colonel would have to pay (which is still less per year than any civilian policy). The average 20 year retired MSgt would see an increase for family coverage from $538/year to $580/year in 2014, and to $750 per year in 2018. That is $61 a month.

    The headline "HUGE INCREASES" means a minimum of $1 per year and maximum of $250 per year for preminums. Co-pays go from $12 to $16 dollars. Prescriptions already went from $3 to $8 co-pays. I would not call these huge, I would call them normal and appropriate.

    I'm so tired of hearing the rhetorical spin about this. These increases are not "huge" or "crippling." Retirees under 65 are not going to end up homeless or hungry because they have to pay a few bucks more a month for their medical premiums. Those over 65 are exempt from the premium increases and are facing about $150 bucks (capped) extra out of pocket costs. This is not "the end of tricare."

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •