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    What the hell, man?
    Heathens hold religious services rooted in Norse paganism aboard aircraft carrier


    Heathenry is experiencing a resurgence.The polytheistic religion, one that traces its origin to Norse myths that tell of the universe’s creation and prophesy its destructive end, was at one time stifled following the end of the Viking Age and the subsequent spread of Christianity.One such collections of myths, “The Prose Edda” — authored by Icelandic historian, poet and politician Snorri Sturluson sometime around the year 1220 — provides much of what the modern world knows about Norse mythology: Yggdrasil, Asgard and the Aesir, a tribe of gods and goddesses with familiar names like Odin, Thor, Loki, Frigg and Idun.Now, nearly 800 years after Sturluson’s “Edda,” a small group of sailors aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis has adopted these deities as the pillars of their religion, according to a Navy release.The chapel onboard Stennis is where Aviation Electrician’s Mate 2nd Class Joshua Wood, a once-Roman Catholic sailor from Eagle River, Alaska, fills the duties of Heathenry lay leader, a position of religious leadership that must be appointed by a unit’s commanding officer.As the most senior practitioner of Heathenry — he has been observant for five years now — Wood is tasked with leading a small group of sailors devoted to the Norse gods and goddesses in weekly services that are even advertised on the ship’s one-main circuit. ‘OPENED MY EYES’Wood was just in high school when he enrolled in a mythology class that he says “opened my eyes to the Nordic Gods."From there, he examined the famous Eddas, like Sturluson’s, to learn more, eventually coming to the realization that he identified with the polytheistic faith in a way he never had with Catholicism

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    And in 2013, the image of Mjölnir, commonly known as the Hammer of Thor, was added to the list of symbols that can be used on veteran headstones, such as those at Arlington National Cemetery.Such strides of religious freedoms should help dispel outlandish myths like those disputed by Shaikoski.“Heathenry is a religion of peace and community,” he said. “[It] helped me connect with people on the ship that I would have just passed by.”readmore: https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/m...craft-carrier/
    Okay, I get maybe you can bond with people and feel welcomed and commit to peace and all that..But, is this a genuine and sincer faith in Nordic gods? Can people really still believe in that stuff? Or is this just trying to 'be cool and interesting' and stand out from the crowd in a hipster way, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    What the hell, man?Okay, I get maybe you can bond with people and feel welcomed and commit to peace and all that..But, is this a genuine and sincer faith in Nordic gods? Can people really still believe in that stuff? Or is this just trying to 'be cool and interesting' and stand out from the crowd in a hipster way, etc?
    As much as there are Wiccan's, etc. It all started with people "protesting" traditional Christian celebrations in the military, and creating something to "worship" in a way to dare leaders to put a stop to it. Of course, common sense plays no part in "equality". You may be familiar with it, but look up the Spaghetti Monster crap, that is actually recognized as a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AF sgt View Post
    As much as there are Wiccan's, etc. It all started with people "protesting" traditional Christian celebrations in the military, and creating something to "worship" in a way to dare leaders to put a stop to it. Of course, common sense plays no part in "equality". You may be familiar with it, but look up the Spaghetti Monster crap, that is actually recognized as a religion.
    I'm familiar with the Spaghetti Monster, and yes, that is more of a parody of religion and mocking the religious. It is not a sincerely held belief of anyone, of course.

    I'm don't think these heathens are necessarily mocking or parodying religion...sounds like they enjoy it, are interested in its many layers, and have a sense of community etc. I just find it hard to believe that anyone has a sincere faith in Thor or whatever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    I just find it hard to believe that anyone has a sincere faith in Thor or whatever...
    Agree. Unless they are honestly Nordic through many generations (as Native American's are with their gods) then the sincerity is very questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AF sgt View Post
    Agree. Unless they are honestly Nordic through many generations (as Native American's are with their gods) then the sincerity is very questionable.
    People can convert to Judaism so does that mean if there aren't many generations of the ancestors being Jewish is the person converting sincerity questionable? How about people converting to Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Catholicism, or and other religion or sect of religion?

    Why must ancestry be used as a standard for their sincerity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogDog View Post
    People can convert to Judaism so does that mean if there aren't many generations of the ancestors being Jewish is the person converting sincerity questionable? How about people converting to Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Catholicism, or and other religion or sect of religion?

    Why must ancestry be used as a standard for their sincerity?
    If you believe for a second that the people discussed aboard the carrier are "worshipping" for any other reason than to get attention , challenge the "system" and be contrary to the mainstream, then the only sincerity that should be questioned is yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AF sgt View Post
    It all started with people "protesting" traditional Christian celebrations in the military,
    Yeah, you can thank Mikey Weinstein for that. Thankfully, there have been some Generals who have ignored his threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    What the hell, man?

    Okay, I get maybe you can bond with people and feel welcomed and commit to peace and all that..But, is this a genuine and sincer faith in Nordic gods? Can people really still believe in that stuff? Or is this just trying to 'be cool and interesting' and stand out from the crowd in a hipster way, etc?
    The question of believing in "that stuff" can be applied to any religion. The idea of an omniscient being be responsible for the creation of the Earth and the universe as well has having a "plan" for each and everyone is as believable as Nordic or Greek Gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogDog View Post
    The question of believing in "that stuff" can be applied to any religion. The idea of an omniscient being be responsible for the creation of the Earth and the universe as well has having a "plan" for each and everyone is as believable as Nordic or Greek Gods.
    True...when you take a step back and look at the picture, people worshiping God today are no different than people worshiping different God's hundreds of years ago. I don't disagree with that.

    But because of family, cultural immersion, etc...I do think, it is a lot more likely that a person develop a sincere and genuine faith if they've been brought up in it or something closely resembling it...or that the faith has been legitimized culturally with a large number of people, etc.

    To just kind of find a religion in a book and decide 'to believe in it'...just seems like a bit more of a stretch to me. That's not to say that the one god is any less or more legitimate in fact...but the faith in it. Just because someone has a sincere and honest faith, does not mean that which they have faith in is more legitimate than another.
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    True...when you take a step back and look at the picture, people worshiping God today are no different than people worshiping different God's hundreds of years ago. I don't disagree with that.
    We still kill over religion but fortunately, the killing over religion isn't as bad as it was hundreds of years ago.

    But because of family, cultural immersion, etc...I do think, it is a lot more likely that a person develop a sincere and genuine faith if they've been brought up in it or something closely resembling it...or that the faith has been legitimized culturally with a large number of people, etc.
    A person's environmental (familial, cultural, socialization,etc.) factors play a big role in a person's religious beliefs. For some, that's not enough to provide support to the spiritual nature of an individual. When this happens people start looking at other religions to fill their need(s). If they are exposed to other religions and they explore it through books dealing with a particular religion and they find their need(s) filled by another religion they can develop a sincere and genuine faith in that religion. To do this takes an action that shakes the beliefs they were brought up in. If someone wants to do that then I have no problem with it.

    To just kind of find a religion in a book and decide 'to believe in it'...just seems like a bit more of a stretch to me. That's not to say that the one god is any less or more legitimate in fact...but the faith in it. Just because someone has a sincere and honest faith, does not mean that which they have faith in is more legitimate than another.
    Christians push their religion by demanding Non-Christians to read and study their book, The Bible. Jehovah Witnesses peddle their religion door-to-door handing out literature. Scientology adherents use their book Dianetics to introduce people to their religion. So if a person reads a book on a particular religion and they like what they read and decide to convert to that religion, is their sincere and genuine faith any less than those of another religion?

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