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    Govt. Shutdown

    I feel like we might be in for a long one.

    The Democrats do not want to give Trump a victory. I think they see it as his re-election issue, so you know they don't want that to happen no matter what. I don't think they'll cave any time soon. It's not about the $5B, for sure, they've thrown away more than that on nothing.

    I think Trump is being advised that no wall=no reelection also. This is his big item.

    Maybe they will get something in between, but I dunno...it's more about the political win and 2020 than it is the money, so I think both sides will be pretty stubborn. The Dems will give $5B for anything but a wall, and Trump only wants a wall.

    The only way out is through the People. Have to let our reps know you will blame them for it, but since it's not an election year, the threat is not immediate and they may let it drag out thinking it'll all be forgotten by next election time.
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    Well, technically we are now talking about a barrier vice a wall

    I agree, DJT campaigned on a wall, he hasn't gotten one and 2020 is coming.

    DJT has had some wins, but a few high profile fails:

    -Repeal & replace of the ACA didn't really work.
    -Balancing the federal budget didn't work.
    -Muslim ban ... enough said.

    I think he needs a victory on the wall to take into the 2020 campaign.

    Unfortunately, most DJT supporters don't see his biggest victory which is SCOTUS and federal judiciary confirmations. Getting past something like a border wall and looking at the number of confirmations ... that is a huge win for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    I feel like we might be in for a long one.

    The Democrats do not want to give Trump a victory. I think they see it as his re-election issue, so you know they don't want that to happen no matter what. I don't think they'll cave any time soon. It's not about the $5B, for sure, they've thrown away more than that on nothing.
    If it was obama who was asking, nay Demanding the 5.6 Billion for the wall, even then i feel the dems in congress would STILL balk at giving him anything. THEY DON'T (IMO) WANT A wall, or any form of protection, stopping them inviting in hundreds of thousands of potential new democrat voters..

    I think Trump is being advised that no wall=no reelection also. This is his big item.
    Most definitely. IF he caves in (like Reagan did), to give the DEMS what they want, without getting what he promised us, he won't win a 2nd term.

    Maybe they will get something in between, but I dunno...it's more about the political win and 2020 than it is the money, so I think both sides will be pretty stubborn. The Dems will give $5B for anything but a wall, and Trump only wants a wall.
    When neither side is willing to budge, i can't see how anyone will 'get anything in between'.
    AND since this has been what the dems have done for decades, they are masters of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    If it was obama who was asking, nay Demanding the 5.6 Billion for the wall, even then i feel the dems in congress would STILL balk at giving him anything. THEY DON'T (IMO) WANT A wall, or any form of protection, stopping them inviting in hundreds of thousands of potential new democrat voters..



    Most definitely. IF he caves in (like Reagan did), to give the DEMS what they want, without getting what he promised us, he won't win a 2nd term.



    When neither side is willing to budge, i can't see how anyone will 'get anything in between'.
    AND since this has been what the dems have done for decades, they are masters of it.
    Oh yeah...those evil Democrats and their 'leftist tactics'

    Whatever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Oh yeah...those evil Democrats and their 'leftist tactics'

    Whatever...
    DEMS decry any attempt to combat voter fraud. DEMS support entitlements to illegal immigrants. Review CA's recent failed attempt to pass a massive pro-illegal immigrant health care bill. DEMS want to eliminate the Electoral College, thus guaranteeing no future Republican Presidents. And of course, DEMS are against the most effective border security measure proposed....a fricken wall.

    But 'whatever,' right?

    Two questions....

    1. Why do Progressives (not most DEMS) absolutely hate America? And yes, if you don't support national sovereignty, you hate America. If you don't care about voter fraud, you hate America. If you think our national 'wealth' is justification to massively increase our entitlement programs, but want to eliminate the very economic system that created that wealth in the first place (Capitalism), then you hate America.

    2. Why in the world are immigrants so desperate to race to this country to seek economic prosperity, but then continue to support the same type of government/policies that destroyed the countries that they now want to leave?

    Based on the mid-term election results, and just how close the election results were for those Republicans who won, I think it's safe to assume that Progressive leftists (not traditional liberals/DEMS) will soon win complete control over our country. When that happens, especially at the state level, they will have the ability to amend the US Constitution in any way they desire....and no conservative SCOTUS can stop that.

    For my fellow conservatives, at the end of the day you just have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that most Americans want a 'different' America...whether right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS View Post
    DEMS decry any attempt to combat voter fraud.
    Seems like the Republicans are trying to get a fraudulent election certified in NC, no?

    DEMS support entitlements to illegal immigrants. Review CA's recent failed attempt to pass a massive pro-illegal immigrant health care bill.

    seeing as how CA is a predominately Dem state, the fact that it failed does not lend credibility to your argument

    DEMS want to eliminate the Electoral College, thus guaranteeing no future Republican Presidents.

    ”The electoral college is a disaster for democracy” ~ Donald J. Trump


    And of course, DEMS are against the most effective border security measure proposed....a fricken wall.

    But 'whatever,' right?
    DEMS are against Trump getting a win.

    whatever, indeed


    Two questions....

    1. Why do Progressives (not most DEMS) absolutely hate America? And yes, if you don't support national sovereignty, you hate America. If you don't care about voter fraud, you hate America. If you think our national 'wealth' is justification to massively increase our entitlement programs, but want to eliminate the very economic system that created that wealth in the first place (Capitalism), then you hate America.
    I don’t speak for progressives.

    Why do Republicans hate America if they want to certify the NC election?

    Why do Republicans who invite foreign powers to intervene in our elections hate America?

    Why do conservatives hate the US govt. and most of the people, but think they have a monopoly on loving America?

    2. Why in the world are immigrants so desperate to race to this country to seek economic prosperity, but then continue to support the same type of government/policies that destroyed the countries that they now want to leave?

    Based on the mid-term election results, and just how close the election results were for those Republicans who won, I think it's safe to assume that Progressive leftists (not traditional liberals/DEMS) will soon win complete control over our country. When that happens, especially at the state level, they will have the ability to amend the US Constitution in any way they desire....and no conservative SCOTUS can stop that.
    Why do you hate the Constitution that provided a method to amend it?

    For my fellow conservatives, at the end of the day you just have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that most Americans want a 'different' America...whether right or wrong.
    So, you are against ‘most Americans’ from getting the America that ‘most Americans’ want through elections?

    What kind of America do you want exactly? One governed by a minority or tyranny? You are lamenting a govt of the people by the people and for the people?

    What do you love about America since you seem to hate it’s govt., Constitution, and people?

    Love it or leave it
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    Seems like the Republicans are trying to get a fraudulent election certified in NC, no?
    If true, then this confirms that cheats reside in both parties. That said, I was critiquing the ideology of an a disturbingly anti-American voter block...PROGRESSIVES.


    seeing as how CA is a predominately Dem state, the fact that it failed does not lend credibility to your argument
    The PROGRESSIVES wanted that bill, but level-headed DEMS (a dying breed) knew that there was no rational, feasible way to pay for it. I did previously point out the difference between a traditional DEM and a Progressive DEM.


    ”The electoral college is a disaster for democracy” ~ Donald J. Trump
    That was a stupid, idiotic comment. That doesn't invalidate most of his pro-American policies.

    DEMS are against Trump getting a win.
    Which is why they supported greater funding for a wall/fence/whatever in 2006, but changed their minds purely out of hate for one man. It's sad how the country is held hostage by radical "Resist" types.



    Why do Republicans who invite foreign powers to intervene in our elections hate America?
    Proof?

    Why do conservatives hate the US govt. and most of the people, but think they have a monopoly on loving America?
    You're speaking on behalf of millions of people? Oh wait, MSM and CNN told you to believe this.

    Why do you hate the Constitution that provided a method to amend it?
    I don't hate the constitution. I'm actually fearful of what this country were to become if our liberties are stripped away. More gov does equal fewer liberties.

    So, you are against ‘most Americans’ from getting the America that ‘most Americans’ want through elections?
    I am saddened that our educational institutions are indoctrinating our future voters to hate our current form of government and economic system. Just yesterday, my wife told me that the library has a book on the top shelf of the "teen" reading called "Resist."

    What kind of America do you want exactly? One governed by a minority or tyranny? You are lamenting a govt of the people by the people and for the people?
    I want an America where Americans are required to learn the US Constitution, and to thoroughly understand the threats this country has faced since it's birth. It's not a perfect country, but it's damn near close.



    Love it or leave it
    I love it just the way it is. Unlike Progressives who want to love it AFTER they change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Oh yeah...those evil Democrats and their 'leftist tactics'

    Whatever...
    Yea, like allowing illegals to vote. Allowing Muslims to serve, wear Hijabs and Swear their oath of office on a KORAN of all things..

    Additionally as FLAPS said, Why is it they do all they can to STOP ANY SORT of Election Integrity law, whether its purging voter rolls of duplicate voters, illegally registered voters, Illegal aliens registered, or the dead, OR want to stop Voter ID (when there's a # of other countries, some large which already do it with no issues)?

    Why do Republicans who invite foreign powers to intervene in our elections hate America?
    Hmm. I don't remember people whining about Hillary inviting the Saudis to meddle, via her pay for play schemes, when she was Sec of State?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Yea, like allowing illegals to vote. Allowing Muslims to serve, wear Hijabs and Swear their oath of office on a KORAN of all things..
    You don't think Muslims should be allowed to serve?


    Additionally as FLAPS said, Why is it they do all they can to STOP ANY SORT of Election Integrity law, whether its purging voter rolls of duplicate voters, illegally registered voters, Illegal aliens registered, or the dead
    I don't think purging of voters rolls is a bad thing...the problem is once these laws are in place, the Republicans. usually go about purging legal voters in districts they don't like.

    , OR want to stop Voter ID (when there's a # of other countries, some large which already do it with no issues)?
    Again, Voter ID does not seem like a bad idea to me...but, then Republicans go about closing ID offices in the areas they don't like, that's more of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS View Post
    If true, then this confirms that cheats reside in both parties. That said, I was critiquing the ideology of an a disturbingly anti-American voter block...PROGRESSIVES.
    OK...carry on then. Have fun

    The PROGRESSIVES wanted that bill, but level-headed DEMS (a dying breed) knew that there was no rational, feasible way to pay for it. I did previously point out the difference between a traditional DEM and a Progressive DEM.
    You did subsequently, but on this point, you just said 'DEMS want entitlements for illegal aliens'....when, I guess, you meant 'PROGRESSIVES'

    That was a stupid, idiotic comment. That doesn't invalidate most of his pro-American policies.

    Which is why they supported greater funding for a wall/fence/whatever in 2006, but changed their minds purely out of hate for one man. It's sad how the country is held hostage by radical "Resist" types.
    Oh, hey, yeah...back on to the topic of the thread. Great. But, yes, as was my point here...this is more about giving or not giving the President a political win, which is why I think the shutdown could drag out awhile....the Democrats would rather throw $6B in the ocean than give $5B for a wall at this point, I think.[/quote]

    Proof?

    You're speaking on behalf of millions of people? Oh wait, MSM and CNN told you to believe this.
    What are you talking about? You yourself said most of the people won't vote for a Republican President

    I don't hate the constitution. I'm actually fearful of what this country were to become if our liberties are stripped away. More gov does equal fewer liberties.

    I am saddened that our educational institutions are indoctrinating our future voters to hate our current form of government and economic system. Just yesterday, my wife told me that the library has a book on the top shelf of the "teen" reading called "Resist."

    I want an America where Americans are required to learn the US Constitution, and to thoroughly understand the threats this country has faced since it's birth. It's not a perfect country, but it's damn near close.
    Okay. What if they don't learn it? Do they lose their citizenship? Would they have to take a test or something?

    What're you gonna do when the Progressives get to write the test?




    I love it just the way it is. Unlike Progressives who want to love it AFTER they change it.
    carry on then...like I said, I don't speak for or answer for progressives.
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