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    SECDEF Mattis Resigns

    Was he the last adult left at the table?

    Was it the Syria pullout that did it...the last straw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Was he the last adult left at the table?

    Was it the Syria pullout that did it...the last straw?
    Probably Syria (Which most Americans don't Support) or making NATO pay their way.

    Either way, Chairman Obama had 4 SECDEFs in 8 years, so not unusual...

    Maybe Now With Mattis out of the way they can right the wrong & get on with giving the transvestites the boot.
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    Rumor is that Mattis went to the White House for a 1500 meeting with POTUS to discuss the uncoordinated with DoD ENDEX for ops in Syria. Mattis had his resignation letter ready depending on the outcome of the meeting. Mattis called an unscheduled meeting of his staff at 1700 and announced his resignation — tells of how the meeting went.
    @Rainmaker is correct, most Americans do not support our presence in Syria. To say that ISIS is defeated is not accurate and by leaving now we likely are (by default) committing ourselves to going back in 3-8 years.

    Secretary Mattis retiring is unfortunate, even arguably bad for multiple reasons:

    -timing: a lot of administration officials on the way out, in 3 weeks we will have a new Congress with an opposition party controlled House and specific to defense, a lot of things going on right now.

    -administration credibility: maybe not the ‘last adult’, but Mattis is arguably the last administration official who the Democrats would listen to / respect and Republicans who don’t really like POTUS could say was a “leveling factor”.

    I see two COAs for finding the next SECDEF:
    1. A political fanboy of POTUS
    2. Another retired FO/GO

    COA 1 is probably the more likely route as POTUS may have tired of his recent FO/GO experiences (Flynn, McMaster, Kelly, and Mattis — and the odd naming of the next CJCS 18 months in advance of Gen Dunford’s retirement).

    If COA 1, then who?
    If COA 2, then who? Admiral Harris would be an interesting selection. Not sure if he'd be interested in it, however.

    We are almost at the midpoint of DJTs term, the first Dem primary debate is about 6 months away, there are at least 2 Republicans who may challenge him for the nomination. The Mattis resignation isn’t in and if itself odd (many Presidents have multiple cabinets turnovers), but is it the most recent symptom of a larger sickness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Rumor is that Mattis went to the White House for a 1500 meeting with POTUS to discuss the uncoordinated with DoD ENDEX for ops in Syria. Mattis had his resignation letter ready depending on the outcome of the meeting. Mattis called an unscheduled meeting of his staff at 1700 and announced his resignation — tells of how the meeting went.
    @Rainmaker is correct, most Americans do not support our presence in Syria. To say that ISIS is defeated is not accurate and by leaving now we likely are (by default) committing ourselves to going back in 3-8 years.

    Secretary Mattis retiring is unfortunate, even arguably bad for multiple reasons:

    -timing: a lot of administration officials on the way out, in 3 weeks we will have a new Congress with an opposition party controlled House and specific to defense, a lot of things going on right now.

    -administration credibility: maybe not the ‘last adult’, but Mattis is arguably the last administration official who the Democrats would listen to / respect and Republicans who don’t really like POTUS could say was a “leveling factor”.
    Not to mention our 'allies' around the world...

    I see two COAs for finding the next SECDEF:
    1. A political fanboy of POTUS
    2. Another retired FO/GO

    COA 1 is probably the more likely route as POTUS may have tired of his recent FO/GO experiences (Flynn, McMaster, Kelly, and Mattis — and the odd naming of the next CJCS 18 months in advance of Gen Dunford’s retirement).

    If COA 1, then who?
    If COA 2, then who? Admiral Harris would be an interesting selection. Not sure if he'd be interested in it, however.
    Probably someone with isolationist tendencies.

    We are almost at the midpoint of DJTs term, the first Dem primary debate is about 6 months away, there are at least 2 Republicans who may challenge him for the nomination. The Mattis resignation isn’t in and if itself odd (many Presidents have multiple cabinets turnovers), but is it the most recent symptom of a larger sickness?
    Not unusual to get a new SECDEF, no. At the same time that you have no AG, no CoS, and whoever else is in the revolving door....

    ...also a little unusual for the SECDEF to leave under protest with a pretty sharp rebuke of the POTUS. I will be curious come March if Mattis takes a public role speaking out or quietly slips into the background.

    A few months ago, Trump said of Mattis, "He is something of a Democrat, I think"...or something like that....kind of told us they weren't getting along.
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    The only ones upset about us pulling out of Syria are the Neocons and Anderson Cooper's gerbil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    The only ones upset about us pulling out of Syria are the Neocons and Anderson Cooper's gerbil.
    Probably more than just them. I think it's the right move, especially considering our unsustainable deficits (let alone the debt). Besides, just WHEN is the right time to pull out if not now? There's always going to be a threat of an ISIS resurgence...or any other pop-up radical organization.

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