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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    SO if in effect they can't do jack squat to stop this 'invasion' of illegal aliens. WHY THE HELL Bother send them?
    As long as they stay 'non-violent', no ... not directly.

    Why send them ... they can provide support to US Border Patrol, ICE and law enforcement ... but we can't do their jobs. Also: optics, rally the base, make a show to fire people up.

    The crux here is similar to previous debates with Sandsjames: what should be done and what can be done based on our laws / regulations etc. What should be done (IMO) is great … but we are bound law. Use of the military for domestic law enforcement is the beginning of that path / slippery to a military state, something I am no fan of.

    We are actually (statistically speaking) pretty good at preventing illegal entry to the US, we suck with our asylum laws / policies that are ambiguous and in some cases contradictory. Fixing this is a legislative issue ... fix the laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    As long as they stay 'non-violent', no ... not directly.

    Why send them ... they can provide support to US Border Patrol, ICE and law enforcement ... but we can't do their jobs. Also: optics, rally the base, make a show to fire people up.

    The crux here is similar to previous debates with Sandsjames: what should be done and what can be done based on our laws / regulations etc. What should be done (IMO) is great … but we are bound law. Use of the military for domestic law enforcement is the beginning of that path / slippery to a military state, something I am no fan of.

    We are actually (statistically speaking) pretty good at preventing illegal entry to the US, we suck with our asylum laws / policies that are ambiguous and in some cases contradictory. Fixing this is a legislative issue ... fix the laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    As long as they stay 'non-violent', no ... not directly.

    Why send them ... they can provide support to US Border Patrol, ICE and law enforcement ... but we can't do their jobs. Also: optics, rally the base, make a show to fire people up.
    So in essence, it's basically a Placebo. Just for show.

    Then why waste the money sending them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    So in essence, it's basically a Placebo. Just for show.
    I wouldn’t say that. The primary mission of a DDG is combat operations, specifically ASW, AAW, cruise missile launch and defense of the CVN. By your argument, why bother sending CSs or YNs if they aren’t shooting the 5 inch or missiles? US military can support ICE and USBP, but won’t be an ad hoc law enforcement detail.

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Then why waste the money sending them?
    There are legitimate support functions (as was done by Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton). Also, it allows politicians to say they are doing something, gets the bases riled up that he is doing what they want / are passionate about. Unfortunately, many don’t understand or bother to do basic research on the laws, ROE, or read the DEPORDs to understand exactly what the mil mission actually is.
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