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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Hmm. That's interesting to learn! So, Is their authority express or implied? On who's behalf are they authorized to act? What powers do they have? Who delegated them this authority? & Who bears the responsibility if/when they get it wrong?
    Don't know ... but I know they are referenced a lot by right and left ...

    At some point I have to acknowledge that I don't have the bandwidth to do everything ... and rely on those that specialize ... this seems to be their specialty.

    Interesting thing is that they ID almost as many black separatist groups as they do white ones (excluding various sections of the Klan). They don't seem to focus on left or right ... black or white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Don't know ... but I know they are referenced a lot by right and left ...

    At some point I have to acknowledge that I don't have the bandwidth to do everything ... and rely on those that specialize ... this seems to be their specialty.

    Interesting thing is that they ID almost as many black separatist groups as they do white ones (excluding various sections of the Klan). They don't seem to focus on left or right ... black or white.
    Oh so IOW they have no authority. But, they just "seem" to be telling the truth because the 95% of the media outlets in the country (owned by 6 rich oligarchs) reference them alot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    We'll my ancestors fought for the Union. But, I can recognize that these were great men and veterans that contributed much to our nation, both before and after the civil war.

    I would say any white person that gets triggered into rioting, by a freaking 100 year old statue of men who lived in the 19th century, is either mentally ill (from a decades long brainwashing campaign ) or a complete idiot.
    Okay, what about the ones who are fighting FOR the statue? Are they not at least equally as bad?

    Personally, there are SOME statues that I want to remain - i.e., the ones that are dedicated to Confederate Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines IN GENERAL (I could give two shits about statues for specific Generals). I'm fully aware that the Confederate military was not an all-volunteer force, and that many were drafted. So it's only fair that a state have something for those that it ordered to war (like we have in the downtowns of Norfolk and Portsmouth).

    Interestingly enough, the majority of the statues in the north are like this - i.e., dedicated to Union Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines. There's no Union General worship up north. That really says alot about those fighting to keep the statues of Confederate Generals. I can pretty much bet that any plaque on the statue of a Union General up North commends him for preserving the Union - NOT for represent the north or its ideologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Oh so IOW you mean they have no authority. But, they just "seem" to be telling the truth because the 95% of the media outlets in the country (owned by 6 rich oligarchs) reference them alot?
    There's something that needs to be clarified: the federal government does not keep a list of "hate groups." They can't. It would violate the First Amendment for them to do so. However, the federal government DOES keep a list of "terrorist groups." That being said, the ONLY hate groups listed by the SPLC that will make it to the government's list of terrorist organizations are ones that engage in terrorist activies (such as the KKK). That's why I was shocked to see most of the groups that Mjolliner mentioned having seen on SF-86's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Okay, what about the ones who are fighting FOR the statue? Are they not at least equally as bad?
    That's what Trump said?

    This whole thing reeks of a false flag anyway. The Kessler phony that's supposedly "alt-right", came out of the occupy movement. Hardly a right wing organization.

    He applied for a permit. So, The cops knew it was going to happen. But, they stand back & let the shit-show spin out of control. Then immediately you got every MSM talking head, Swamp charlatan politician (Rubio, Graham, McCain, Romney et.al) universally calling for Trump to denounce domestic terrorists. Mogul CEO's that want to keep flooding the country with illegal labor and set up a caste system, start resigning from the Presidential manufacturing council in masse.

    Hell, A week later and you can't change the channel, without seeing Don Lemon's gay ass standing up there holding a confederate flag with a tear in his eye.

    Now, You got the Baltimore mayor removing statues on her own authority under cover of darkness.
    These statues been here for a century and now all of sudden they're supposedly a menace to society?

    Clearly, The whole thing is designed to tar anyone that doesn't roll over for open borders as a "white supremacist"

    They still don't get it. Race Card not working anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    That's what Trump said?
    You and Trump are not referring to the same thing. You are describing those who wanted the statue to come down with emasculating terms for being bothered by the statue. I am asking you whether or not you believe those emasculating terms equally apply to those who are hell bent on keeping the statue up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    You are describing those who wanted the statue to come down with emasculating terms for being bothered by the statue.
    Not really tracking...What "emasculating terms"? Self hating whites?


    I am asking you whether or not you believe those emasculating terms equally apply to those who are hell bent on keeping the statue up.
    Do i think whites who want to keep the statues up hate themselves? No. I don't.
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    Here's the true test of "value and worth":

    Andrew Jackson (20 Dollar Bill) had slaves. Why don't these baffoons just start ripping up $20 bills in protest??? Because they have personal value to them in their wallet... just like the monuments have personal value to our history.

    Martin Luther King Jr. factually made some racial comments himself. Perhaps I should go out and start destroying MLK statues and monuments based on this precept!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Not really tracking...What "emasculating terms"? Self hating whites?
    No, triggered.

    Do i think whites who want to keep the statues up hate themselves? No. I don't.
    So what's your reasoning behind it being "self-hate" for a white person wanting it to come down?

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaLawyer View Post
    Here's the true test of "value and worth":

    Andrew Jackson (20 Dollar Bill) had slaves. Why don't these baffoons just start ripping up $20 bills in protest??? Because they have personal value to them in their wallet... just like the monuments have personal value to our history.

    Martin Luther King Jr. factually made some racial comments himself. Perhaps I should go out and start destroying MLK statues and monuments based on this precept!!!!
    I personally don't care, either way. However, the better argument for taking down the statues of Confederate Generals is the fact that they committed treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    But ... in this case the Stupid Fucking Nazis (SFNs) still have the right of peaceful assembly. Because of the 1st Amendment. Hate speech short of incitement is still protected under the 1st Amendment, a unanimous ruling from the Supreme Court earlier this year stated that.
    And like you i will never accept their speech as anything but stupid hateful idiocy. BUT I STILL Fought to defend their right to show their dunciness... Pity the left ONLY seems to wan to allow the LEFT to have the right to free speech..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    But in this case AntiFa hears about the SFN rally and plans to show up. AntiFa does not show up to "counter-protest," they show up to cause anarchy and beat some ass. That thing at UC Berkley when they could not handle the Gay Jewish guy giving a speech so they lit the place on fire? That was them. They show up loaded for bear. The SFNs know AntiFa will show up loaded for bear, so they show up loaded for bear as well. Then for whatever reason the cops stood off to the side and let these idiots go at it and it spiraled out of control.
    And what gets me on this all, is NAZISM was formed from the National, SOCIALIST WORKERS party.. SO how the hell is that seen as "Right wing" in anyway"?
    They also once agian, HAD NO PERMIT to show up, yet once again we see COPS doing nothing to prevent these counter NON-PERMITTED protestors.. In fact they FUNNELED THEM TO where the Nazis were at, then just left/backed off.. SO IMO the cops are JUST AS GUILTY (as is the mayor for telling the cops to do this) as those who did the violence.
    BUT SINCE THE MEDIA seems incapable of EVER SEEING any violence from the leftist groups as wrong, we will never ever hear any condemnation of those groups..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Consider this: In April of 2017 the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade in Portland was canceled because AntiFa/BlacBlock threatened that if there were any Republican groups in the parade, then AntiFa would show up to drag them out of the parade and beat the shit out of them. Not SFNs, just any Republicans.
    And to ME those who made those threats should have been traced down and ARRESTED.. Not given into by the spineless turds making up Portland's political idiots..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Of course, anyone who gathers to show pride in rich, white culture and history must be an advocate of genocide.

    In case you haven't noticed it's not "white nationalists" who are rioting, destroying public and private property, blocking public freeways, and demand colleges be turned into Marxist indoctrination centers, we're they erase western civilization, culture and history from the curriculum.
    Rainmaker, that's what always irks me off..
    IF you wanna show "Gay pride" you are commended for your 'diversity and inclusiveness
    If you wanna show "Black/latino/asian (or other ethnic group) pride" you are once again commended.
    BUT wanna show "White pride" and you are immediately labeled a white supremacist hater..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    You are correct, there are a lot of folks from BLM, AntiFA etc. who are ", destroying public and private property, blocking public freeways" ... don't like them either ...
    Same here, but its ONLY ever the white groups that get condemned.. WHY??

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Hmm. That's interesting to learn! So, Is their authority express or implied? On who's behalf are they authorized to act? What powers do they have? Who delegated them this authority? & Who bears the responsibility if/when they get it wrong?
    No one gave them that right. THEY just took it. ANd seem to only (or majority only) seem to regard anything 'right wing/conservative/christian' as a hate group. HELL many of the churches they list are ONLY that way cause they won't cave into the LGBTQ agenda...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Oh so IOW they have no authority. But, they just "seem" to be telling the truth because the 95% of the media outlets in the country (owned by 6 rich oligarchs) reference them alot?
    Yup. AND notice, CNN which was one of those news outlets who published their list which LED TO THAT nut job shooting up that family group a year or so ago, NEVER HAS accepted ANY culpability for that shooting.. OR APOLOGIZED for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    applied for a permit. So, The cops knew it was going to happen. But, they stand back & let the shit-show spin out of control. Then immediately you got every MSM talking head, Swamp charlatan politician (Rubio, Graham, McCain, Romney et.al) universally calling for Trump to denounce domestic terrorists. Mogul CEO's that want to keep flooding the country with illegal labor and set up a caste system, start resigning from the Presidential manufacturing council in masse.

    Hell, A week later and you can't change the channel, without seeing Don Lemon's gay ass standing up there holding a confederate flag with a tear in his eye.

    Now, You got the Baltimore mayor removing statues on her own authority under cover of darkness.
    These statues been here for a century and now all of sudden they're supposedly a menace to society?

    Clearly, The whole thing is designed to tar anyone that doesn't roll over for open borders as a "white supremacist"

    They still don't get it. Race Card not working anymore.
    And notice, they are not going after ANY OF THE other icons of slavery such as Robert Byrd an outspoken DEMOCRAT who was a grand wizard of the KKK..

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaLawyer View Post
    Here's the true test of "value and worth":

    Andrew Jackson (20 Dollar Bill) had slaves. Why don't these baffoons just start ripping up $20 bills in protest??? Because they have personal value to them in their wallet... just like the monuments have personal value to our history.

    Martin Luther King Jr. factually made some racial comments himself. Perhaps I should go out and start destroying MLK statues and monuments based on this precept!!!!
    In a way they did by pushing the fed to remove him from the 20 for Margret Tubman..

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