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    Any Truth In This?

    Read this Command Message from another site forum, anyone have any firsthand knowledge if this is real or a hoax?

    An email from the command chief at an undisclosed location, edited to protect the guilty:

    "ASAB Enlisted Corps,

    Welcome to 5MT accountability one and all. Today marks the day that you are
    required to know the Airman's Creed and Air Force Song as outlined in my
    first 5MT to the Enlisted Corps. At no time did I alleviate ANYONE from this
    requirement, so the demographic is clear. If you are an "E-something", this
    applies to you. To some it applies even more, especially if you are a
    supervisor. If in a supervisory role, you are also accountable TO and FOR
    your people.

    we delve into the "whys," let's first revisit the "Who, What, Where, and
    When" parts. Those were provided in BOTH the initial and follow-on emails
    that I've attached. The "how" was left completely up to you.

    - Who: Every Enlisted member assigned to the XXXAEW.

    - What: Be able to RECITE from MEMORY the Airman's Creed and "sing"
    the first verse of the AF song

    - Where: In public forums during Wing events or when asked by
    senior leadership.

    - When: Primarily by 1 September 2011

    - How: Based on your personal preference

    - WHY: To forge LEADERSHIP and FOLLOWERSHIP capability and to drive
    Enlisted uniformity during ### AEW ceremonies.


    - VECTOR 1 came directly from AF Leadership: As CMSAF Roy's
    direction when he told all USAF Command Chiefs to."Champion the Airman's
    Creed and ensure you and your Airmen are able to recite it". Period.

    - VECTOR 2 came from me as a reiteration of CMSAF Roy's
    direction. From both a Leadership and followership perspective.

    - VECTOR 3 should have come from Your Supervisor: That vector
    should have mirrored CMSAF Roy's as a matter of loyalty and in a manner of

    - VECTOR 4 should have come from YOU

    DISCUSSION: Everyone presented with the 5MT requirements had options in
    CHOOSING their personal way ahead. Their choices will place them into a
    category of compliance as listed below. Almost everyone should be able to
    recognize which demographic they primarily align with. Here are the 6

    1. Someone who just recently arrived here & hadn't had 50 days to meet
    the 5MT requirements. You are still accountable, but you'll be granted more
    time. Get on it & get there within 50 days from your DAS. You are NOT DONE

    2. Someone who already knew both recitations, and were able to
    deliver them from day 1. You were good to go from the initial vector. Good
    on you. You are DONE. Would ask that you assist others who aren't quite
    there yet.

    3. Someone who didn't know either of them BUT accepted the
    requirement and made it happen. If you took it upon yourself to learn them,
    you are a leader by example. If you took the direction of your supervisor,
    you are a competent follower. Regardless, you met the requirements and did
    not fail. Good on you. You are DONE. Hopefully you help those around you.

    4. Someone in a supervisory position who knew or learned it, led by
    example, kept your Wingmen in sight, and pushed your subordinates toward
    success. You embodied the ability to Fly, Fight, and WIN. You have proven
    yourself as someone who wasn't prone to sit-back, give-up, and allow
    failure. Good on you. You are DONE. Your people are probably thanking you
    for pushing them to succeed.

    5. Someone who TRIED their hardest but still couldn't get it memorized
    in time. You may not fully be there yet, but since the words are in your
    memory.chances are you'll be able to recite it in a crowd. In any event, I
    (and other Wingmen) will recite along with you and together we'll all
    succeed in this 5MT. Good on you for giving it your best shot. You are NOT
    DONE, so KEEP TRYING until you get 100% of it.

    6. Someone who dismissed the entire requirement and neither worked at
    it personally..nor pushed their Airmen to success. You Faltered and Failed.
    Period. If you're one who either complained about the 5MT, or openly refused
    to're still on the hook. If you're a Supervisor who failed to
    lead your Airmen to're still on the hook. If you think this is
    over, think again. You are NOT DONE, and that will become even clearer in
    the future.

    DELIVERABLES: The Commander and I have already been asking Enlisted Airmen
    to recite the Airman's Creed in public. Yes folks, the Wing CC is also
    on-board in this exercise. So my hope is that we encounter Airmen in
    categories 1-5 when we're out and about. So's been good. Two
    excursions, 11 Airmen.11 successful deliveries.

    WAY AHEAD: I will periodically ask folks if they know it. If they say yes, I
    may recite or sing along WITH them. I will ask how they gained their
    success. I will ask if they were vector checked buy their immediate
    Supervisor. The answers THEY GIVE will tell me who Led and Followed
    appropriately. If they say they don't know it.there will be tougher

    BOTTOM LINE: If you are an Enlisted Airman who fell into categories 1-5 -
    No need to read on any further unless you really want to. Continue to move
    forward and keep finding ways to meet requirements. If your Supervisor
    pushed you toward success.thank them. If you Led and followed hit the 5MT and will be able to execute from here on out.

    ROCK BOTTOM LINE: Hopefully the Airman's Creed will become personal to you.
    Hopefully you'll realize that EVERY activity you perform EVERY day provides
    you an opportunity to Fly, Fight, and win. By realizing that "Fly" equates
    to rising to face the challenge, "Fight" equates to expending energy to meet
    the challenge, and "Win" equates to overcoming the may make
    some sense. Hope you Flew, Fought, and Won on this challenge.

    Category 6 on below my signature block. There's more.


    Chief Xxxxxxxx

    CMSgt X. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx
    Wing Command Chief Master Sergeant
    ### Air Expeditionary Wing (AFCENT)


    Just so there's no ambiguity here. If you blew off the requirement , you've
    failed as a follower. If you're a supervisor who told your people that it
    wasn't important, you have failed exponentially as both a leader and a
    follower. By ignoring what your Senior Enlisted leadership directed you to
    do, you purposefully missed the mark and took down a couple of our Core
    Values with you . First, You didn't demand Excellence in ALL we do and
    Secondly you put yourself ABOVE a tasking. two of the 3 core values
    destroyed in one fell swoop.

    Now.before anyone starts complaining about the difficulty of the Airman's
    creed requirements; let me dissect the task into bits and pieces that are
    easier to swallow. Hopefully this will clarify the failure a bit more.

    NOTE: The first 5MT went out on 12 July, so the entire period of "training"
    equates to 50 days. Nice round number, but roughly 7 weeks if you received
    it on 12 July.

    - Basic Trainees have 7 weeks of "training days" to learn the exact
    same things CMSAF Roy asked of us. They do so without the Military
    experiences that we have. So, the advantage should have been YOURS.

    - Reading the entire Airman's Creed out loud takes less than 40
    seconds, even if you momentarily pause between stanzas . That's less than
    one minute from end to end.

    - Chances are, by reading it out loud for 2 minutes a day you'd
    have had it memorized in 20 days. 3 times in a row per day.20 days in a
    row. If you did that, you'd be in category 5 at the very least.

    - Even if using the entire 50 days, you would have expended 100
    total minutes of effort. Less than two total hours of time stretched over
    nearly 2 months.simply reading out loud. No sweat. No toil.simply reciting.

    - There are 18 total lines in the Airman's Creed, so that equates
    to learning 2 lines per week. Actually it's a bit less once you realize that
    4 of the lines are exactly the same.

    - If you broke it down by stanzas, there are four. So you'd have
    had 12 . 5 days to learn each stanza

    WHAT I HAVE HEARD: Some thought the 5MT was "stupid" so they QUIT on day one
    and TOLD others to blow it off as well. Instead of shaping the environment
    through followership and discipline they chose to ACCEPT or even DIRECT
    failure. That is intolerable.

    WAY AHEAD: Right now, I don't even know who fits into what demographic.But
    I'm about to find out. I'll see who knows it or not. If they don't know it,
    I'll ask how much time they put into "learning". I'll ask for their
    immediate supervisor's name. I'll ask what their Supervisor did to ensure
    their success. I'll ask if they were vector checked by their immediate
    Supervisor. That should tell me enough to categorize those who failed.and
    those who let them fail. Then they will BOTH make it right. It's called
    accountability. In this game, everyone gets a trophy.

    BOTTOM LINE: Never leave an Airman behind, Never Falter.and do not fail. If
    you're off-track.return to the fight NOW. If you tell me you're
    reengaging.I'm good with that.


    Chief Xxxxxxxx
    /end quote

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    Re: Any Truth In This?

    It would not surprise me, not one little bit....

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    Do they get extra points for waving - what is it, the Little Brown Book? - as they recite the Airman's Creed and sing the Air Force Song, just like the Chinese used to wave Mao's Little Red Book during the Cultural Revolution? And if there is more than one person reciting/singing, do they get even more points if they synchonize their book waving?

    If this is true, there's an E-9 (NOT a Chief) with WAY too much time on his hands. Guy needs a REAL job.

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    Otis, Mao's Little Red Book is exactly what I thought when I first read this...Incredible this CLOWN is an E-9!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igloowhite View Post
    Otis, Mao's Little Red Book is exactly what I thought when I first read this...Incredible this CLOWN is an E-9!
    But keep in mind, if this message is correct, the guy's an E-9, NOT a Chief. I can see reciting the Airman's Creed and singing the Air Force song at Commander's Call, but reading this purported message, "leadership" seems to make it a fetish. Don't want to sound like a geezer, but when I was on active duty it was just assumed everyone knew the Air Force Song, and at that time we didn't have an Airman's Creed to worry about. Guess we just knew we were professionals, and the AF's job was to fly and fight. If you have to keep reciting what your service is all about, and the "leadership" is shoving it down your throat, maybe there's a reason people aren't drinking the koolaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igloowhite View Post
    Otis, Mao's Little Red Book is exactly what I thought when I first read this...Incredible this CLOWN is an E-9!
    Al Udeid AB is what I thought of first when I read this. This is some dumb shit that would ooze out of that place. Why can't they just let a dying dog die? No one cares about the creed and people have slaughtered the AF song by being clapping in it ALL THE F'N TIME

    Does this guy know that nothing comes after E-9? Also, as a Command Chief don't you have other, more pressing stuff to do around the wing than chase down airmen and have them recite things?

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    This is what they prioritize? They have rank-and-file airman that don't possess technical expertise on the aircraft. Many times when I transit a location the technicians have an extremely limited knowledge of their job concerning aircraft maintenance. We have far, far more bigger problems than being able to recite this nonsense that brings nothing to the table in terms of capability and effectiveness!

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    This is te exact reason why the AF is heading into the trash pit. If you want creeds go to the Rangers. Eat sh*t and retire Chief XXX. You suck as a leader and suck the life from the AF.

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    "- VECTOR 1 came directly from AF Leadership"

    No it didn't. If it did, this wouldn't only be directed at the "E-somethings". Last I checked. O-somethings are Airmen as well and I haven't seen anything come out stating they have to regurgitate it on command.

    My rater is Lt. Col XxXxXx. Having the Airman's Creed memorized wasn't discussed in my last feedback and I really don't think he cares if I know it or not. Heck, I don't think he knows it.

    Further, I do happen to know the Creed and the AF Song from memory, but if asked, I would say I didn't know it if I was interrupted during the course of my duties or my own personal time. And while I was being scolded for not knowing it, I would be quickly jotting them down on a piece of paper and when whomever it was was finished listening to themselves talk, I would hand it to them and ask them if they were done wasting my time.

    Lastly, anyone putting this much focus on something this petty when they are downrange, has no job or no real purpose for being there. This is more of a hindrance to the war effort than any help.

    Hey, chalk XX/sortie XX was late taking off and unit XXXX didn't get the supplies or CAS they requested and now they're dead.

    RE: Oh, it's OK. My guys were back in their rooms studying the AF Song and Airman's Creed.

    We need to calculate how many man-hours this cost and file a fraud, waste, and abuse claim.

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    It just baffles me at the disconnect between leadership of both E and O and those that are pulling the line.

    Chief: Airman, explain to me the inner working of this jet engine you are working on.
    Amn:*looks at Chief all cross eyed and drools*
    Chief:Recite the Creed!
    Amn: I am an American Airman..... (says whole creed)
    Chief: Promote him now! He's a genius! You son are a future leader of this great Air Force!

    I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that this is some doing of the Deid

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