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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    What isn't disputable is that someone got a hold of a lot of emails that were embarrassing for the DNC
    Does that make any of this stuff being reported "fake" news?

    The leaks were embarrassing for the DNC because (among other things) they revealed the collusion going on between Hillary Clinton, the so-called "legitimate" media and the DNC's efforts to rig the Democratic primary in Hillary's favor. It begs the question..... Where they also colluding to rig the general election in her favor, as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    initial indications are that it was a Russian actor.
    That is disputable. Even John Bolton's suggesting it's a false-flag. See? He's now a "conspiracy theorist"!

    FWIW Rainmaker's SWAG, is that it's more than likely insider-leaks.

    Either way, the IC needs an enema. They're too concerned with feathering their own nests or CYA . The quality of their product is largely shit.

    We'll see whether or not General Flynn is successful (this time) with cleaning up that bureaucratic shit-show.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    don't think 45 million people go to those sites every month because they think it is The Onion or another satire site.
    I think they're going to those sites because, It's billed as conservative news, opinion and commentary and they know that the legacy media is made up mostly of socialists shilling for the DNC, and they'd like to hear a differening perspective.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Some people take those type of sites as legitimate news, probably most of those 45 million
    So, is your position then that Breitbart is not a "legitimate" news source and that 45 million people are all getting duped?

    If that's so, Then what sources would you consider to be legitimate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Does that make any of this stuff being reported "fake" news?
    Not at all ... I do think there is a difference. Part of me liked the curtain being pulled back on some of the hypocrisy that it exposed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    The leaks were embarrassing for the DNC because (among other things) they revealed the collusion going on between Hillary Clinton, the so-called "legitimate" media and the DNC's efforts to rig the Democratic primary in Hillary's favor. Which begs the question..... Where they also colluding to rig the general election in her favor, as well?
    IMO ... the DNC did a true disservice to their members in how they ran their primaries and drove to tip the scales in HRC's favor. Despite their efforts, I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue, &/or her performance at State, he might have gained momentum before he did and beat her in spite of the DNC's efforts.

    The leaks also showed how many within the DNC really regard some of their key constituencies ... they aren't necessarily as truly accepting / inclusive as they would want people to think ... but they do like the votes from those constituencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Disputable. John Bolton's suggesting it's a false-flag. See? Even he's now a "conspiracy theorist"!
    Conspiracy theorist? No ... but he also is not receiving reports on it other than what is in the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    FWIW Rainmaker's SWAG, is that it's more than likely insider-leaks.
    That is possible, and I would imagine that is getting looked at. Tracing a cyber intrusion to point origin can be tricky, but I would say an insider-leak would likely involve a Snowden or Manning like copying of files from a server with a physical connection or legitimate credentials for system access; an insider wouldn't need to hop through several servers to do that ... could they to create a false flag, sure. Is it detectable? Yes. I can think that there may be an insider who is really good at that type of thing ... I also know first hand the people we have to do forensics on that type of thing are very good too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Either way, The IC needs an enema. They're more concerned with feathering their own nests or CYA . The quality of their product is largely shit.
    Agree, there are reforms in the IC that need to be done. Largely the last 8-years have seen the politization of intelligence product to meet a predetermined policy or goal (happened during the Bush Administration too ... but not like this.) The current administration has ignored radical Islamic movements around the world to avoid the appearance of Islamaphobia ... There are people of diverse backgrounds all around the world that wish to do us harm ... the fact remains that the largest portion of those people are radical Muslims ... not being able to use those facts is stifling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    We'll see whether or not General Flynn is successful this time, with cleaning up that bureaucratic shit-show.
    I don't see Flynn having too much impact unless Trump radically changes the role of the National Security Advisor ... some of which is limited because he is not confirmed by the Senate and won't have budgetary or policy authority over the IC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    I think they're going there because, It's billed as conservative news, opinion and commentary and they know that the legacy media is made up mostly of socialists shilling for the DNC.
    I think a lot of people go there because they find a news source that presents news in a manner that aligns with their generally predetermined ideology. Also, smaller percentages of people go there because they don't agree with that ideology but to 'keep tabs' on the 'opposition' ... (some of my very .... VERY liberal friends watch a lot of FOX and read Breitbart for this reason).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    So, is your position then that Breitbart is not "legitimate" news and that 45 million people are getting duped?
    Duped ... not quite. I think most people go to a conservative site wanting conservatively slanted news, same for people who go to liberal sites wanting liberally slanted news. I don't go to a seafood restaurant when I really have an appetite for Mexican food. I do think that too many people take what they get at face value and don't do research on what they are reading to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    What sources do you consider legitimate?
    Hard term to define, I consider most of them 'legitimate', but I tend to know what I am getting when I look at MSNBC, or FoxNews, or Breitbart. As I have said, I do consume mainstream media in many cases as a jumping off point to actually research things. Depending on the topic I get a lot of data from work, I do work in the IC so I get a lot of tactical & operational reporting before it is ran out at the strategic level (which is where I see more politization).

    The Hill: Conservative leaning, its writers and columnists are folks like Lanny Davis and James Carville but their style of writing there is much more non-partisan and generally more intelligently written than stuff on MSNBC or Fox etc.

    FactCheck.org: Good factual data.

    Congressional Budget Office: their reports are really good sources of non-partisan data as it is presented to Congress prior to the individual offices spinning it.

    Also, having worked on Capitol Hill, I regularly do read the text of legislation ... crazy thing ... reading the bills and laws that effect our country.

    I don't regularly peruse the National Enquirer unless I am in the check out line looking at the cover for a quick chuckle ... but it is also a fact that the National Enquirer was the first outlet to report that Sen. John Edwards had a mistress, a child with that mistress and had been stepping out on his wife for some time. They beat everyone to the punch on that ... and also report that Elvis was abducted by aliens to play a concert for JFK on their homeworld ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Its funny that now they are admitting to there being fake news, the left always tried to paint FNC as "faux news". They just realized after a year of pandering to HRC and the dems that they were shown to be the biggest purveyor of fake news through wikileaks and now they are trying to distract everyone by claiming fake news is coming from every where else, especially the right.

    BTW, speaking of fake news, yahoo had a story about Dylann Roof receiving $3 mil from whites to support his defense. CNN calls BLM a "peaceful protest". and so on.
    ALong with the whole hands up don't shoot mantra we got from BLM in the beginning for Garner, or "i can't breath' for that dude in NYC.. And they RAN with that false news, just to push ratings and the protests..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue, &/or her performance at State, he might have gained momentum before he did and beat her in spite of the DNC's efforts.
    Sanders showed his hand as a quisling, by continuing to campaign for her, even after the evidence came out that he got corn-holed.

    America should Thank God every day, that the Bolshevick cuck won't be getting anywhere near the oval orifice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Conspiracy theorist? No ... but he also is not receiving reports on it other than what is in the media.
    Well Bolton is on the short list for Deputy Secretary of State.

    He should ask to see the "Anonymous sources from within the CIA's secret assessment" leaked to the Washington post, that they can't tell anybody about (because it was produced by the same bureaucrats, that are currently under investigation for cooking the Intel to fit Obama's "ISIS is the JV team" narrative).


    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Tracing a cyber intrusion to point origin can be tricky, but I would say an insider-leak would likely involve a Snowden or Manning like copying of files from a server with a physical connection or legitimate credentials for system access; an insider wouldn't need to hop through several servers to do that ... Yes. I can think that there may be an insider who is really good at that type of thing ... I also know first hand the people we have to do forensics on that type of thing are very good too.
    It doesn't take a nefarious non-state actor, when It was reported that John "Pizzagate" Podesta's Gmail account was hacked, after he fell for a fishing email requesting his password, which was 'p@ssw0rd'. Can't fix stupid.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Also, smaller percentages of people go there because they don't agree with that ideology but to 'keep tabs' on the 'opposition' ...
    Rainmaker does this with the ho-tards over at Huffpo, Slate and Jezebell. Though lately it's mostly devolved into just trolling them and basking in the shadenfreud of their collective meltdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    FactCheck.org. Good factual data.
    Who's Fact Checking The "Fact Checkers"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue,
    ..."I don't wanna hear another word about those damn emails"...probably a big mistake on his part, if he was interested in winning the nomination.

    I think, in general, the DNC is more concerned about not beating each other up on non-policy issues during the primaries in order to protect the party during the general. They try to "keep it clean." Though, not always entirely possible...

    Backfires in that the issues voters might care about do not get fully vetted...or they get attention during the general instead of the primary.

    Survive the GOP primaries and voters have already seen and heard most of the dirt...

    Kind of like that rap-battle in 8 Mile where B. Rabbit raps all the insults on himself so that Papa Doc of Free World got nothing more to say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Sanders showed his hand as a quisling, by continuing to campaign for her, even after the evidence came out that he got corn-holed.
    I lost a lot of respect for him as a result of that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Well Bolton is on the short list for Deputy Secretary of State.
    **was

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    He should ask to see the "Anonymous sources from within the CIA's secret assessment, leaked to the Washington post, that they can't tell anybody about" (because it was probably produced by the same bureaucrats, that are currently under investigation for cooking the Intel to fit Obama's "ISIS is the JV team" narrative).
    He probably should.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    It doesn't take a state actor, when It was reported that John "Pizzagate" Podesta's Gmail account was hacked, after he fell for a fishing email requesting his password, which was 'p@ssw0rd'. Can't fix stupid.
    Doesn't take a state actor at all ... but the level of activity by these actors is surprising ... an trackable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Rainmaker does this with the ho-tards over at Huffpo, Slate and Jezebell. Though lately it's mostly devolved into just trolling them and basking in the shadenfreud of their collective meltdown.
    Am tempted to go look and see if I can figure out which ones are your comments now.

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    The government ... kidding.

    I do a lot of cross checking, but yes ... at some point I have to find a comfort level and trust sources. Same as when I was studying history ... I can't read ancient Greek ... at some point I have to trust the translators were correct. Imagine my disappointment if after running 26 miles from Marathon to Athen, instead of proclaiming "Nikomen" (We Win!) before dropping dead actually said something like "fuck that".
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    Maybe the Washington post can figure out What happened to Seth Rich?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
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    Seth's been forgotten by most of the lame stream media.. THey just don't wanna go digging in that morassis..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Maybe the Washington post can figure out What happened to Seth Rich?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
    It is interesting ... it has all the foundations of a great conspiracy.

    DNC Staffer murdered, during the election cycle ... following the hacking etc. None of his personal items were taken, there were signs that someone attempted to remove his watch. He was shot in the back 4 (I think) times.

    However, in that neighborhood in Washington DC at 4 in the morning, a mugging gone wrong isn't really a newsflash.

    I asked my brother (a police officer) about none of his personal items being taken, he said that really wasn't that weird, once the perp fires shots, they tend to not stick around and rummage the body.

    Interesting note on the Rich murder, DC police were alerted to it almost immediately, DC police use a system of sensors throughout the city that can detect a gunshot, create a line of bearing (LOB) and then cross queue between those LOBs to geolocate the source of the gunshot within a pretty small area. Pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    It is interesting ... it has all the foundations of a great conspiracy.

    DNC Staffer murdered, during the election cycle ... following the hacking etc. None of his personal items were taken, there were signs that someone attempted to remove his watch. He was shot in the back 4 (I think) times.

    Well, since the MSM refuses to do any investigative journalism on it, and Mein Trumpenfuhrer has seemingly patched things up with the Salt Lake City Mafia........ Maybe, some more "anonymous" sources, within the IC can leak some secret info to the Washington post (and the crying guy on cable TV with his face covered in crushed up cheetos)?

    Because, as it stands now, us "conspiracy analysts" are stuck relying on the 4-chan basement dweller types to investigate this DC Pedophile ring & Enquiring minds want to know.... Nomsayin?

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