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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeKerriii View Post
    If you look at the numbers Hillary was too far to the right


    Look at what numbers?

    You mean like the CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC numbers that said Hillary had a "blue wall" & would win in a Landslide.....those numbers?

    Or do you mean like the CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC poll numbers that said Hillary was up by 12% & would win in a Landslide.....those numbers?

    Tell us again which numbers we should be looking at Mike?
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    I would agree, HRC was far from a 'far left' candidate on some issues.

    On things like trade, the economy, defense, foreign policy ... she is not too far from many Republicans.

    On things like social issues, immigration, gun control ... she is pretty far left.

    I get the feeling a large part of her defeat lay in the lack on substance on issues and the reliance on her being 'her' and the potential historic nature of her being elected. I don't have an issue one way or another voting for a woman to be the President, but I want to vote for a good candidate, not the one who was 'next', not the one who has 'earned this'. Looking past the glitz, she offered more of the status quo in a year when a populist candidate was desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Looking past the glitz, she offered more of the status quo in a year when a populist candidate was desired.
    Agreed.

    It had less to do with the whole Left vs. Right thing and more to do with the fact that Americans have rejected globalism (read international socialism)

    And all the special snow-flakes, having their collective tantrum & screaming about racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic....etc. etc....... is only solidifying President Trump's support.

    Because NORMAL people are sick and tired of these progs trying to force everyone else to affirm (and subsidize) their dysfunction.

    & The MSM has totally discredited themselves, They'll keep manipulating it. But, no one really listens to them anymore.

    So unless Trump really fucks up. (e.g. pulls a Hillary and decides to air state secrets over g-mail) he'll likely win 2020 in a Landslide.

    The DemoRats are gonna need to find a new schtick. Because, the writing's on the wall....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    I would agree, HRC was far from a 'far left' candidate on some issues.

    On things like trade,
    Globalism is a leftist thing, not right.

    the economy,
    What way? She is a progressive, authoritarian, socialist essentially.
    defense,
    Again, how so? Miltary strikes and wars are a democrat thing. Look at all of the wars in the last 100 years, all but 2 started by dems.
    foreign policy ... she is not too far from many Republicans.
    She is a great manipulator of foreign governments. She and her cronies destabilized the middle east. Took Egypt out of peace. Had Libya turned over. Syria is being played to stop the oil pipeline for a ally of Russia in favor for Iran. If she is "right", Trump is further left than she is.
    Progressivism; such great ideas, they need to force you to follow them.

    Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Globalism is a leftist thing, not right.

    Both Bush administrations, McCain and Romney were all stocked full with globalists.

    The Bush II administration was especially infested with the neoconservative movement, that put Foreign interests ahead of the National good.

    "Compassionate conservatism" was a Doublespeak Euphemism designed to mask their true intentions (of ushering in international socialism).

    President Trump exposed the bastards, beat them and left them laying bloody in the ditch.

    But, they lived to fight another day & for the time being, He'll still have to deal with them trying to Harpoon the ship.

    But, fortunately for America, Trump has a 156 IQ (2nd only to John Quincy Adams (165), in the history of our Nation, and just ahead of Thomas Jefferson @154)) and has dealt with these double-dealing cretins, all of his adult life, in Manhattan's Luxury Real Estate Business ( knows how to keep them guessing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Both Bush administrations, McCain and Romney were all stocked full with globalists.

    The Bush II administration was especially infested with the neoconservative movement, that put Foreign interests ahead of the National good.

    "Compassionate conservatism" was a Doublespeak Euphemism designed to mask their true intentions (of ushering in international socialism).

    President Trump exposed the bastards, beat them and left them laying bloody in the ditch.

    But, they lived to fight another day & for the time being, He'll still have to deal with them trying to Harpoon the ship.

    But, fortunately for America, Trump has a 156 IQ (2nd only to John Quincy Adams (165), in the history of our Nation, and just ahead of Thomas Jefferson @154)) and has dealt with these double-dealing cretins, all of his adult life, in Manhattan's Luxury Real Estate Business ( knows how to keep them guessing).
    Yes, the republican "progressive". Still leftist. RINOs.
    Progressivism; such great ideas, they need to force you to follow them.

    Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

    Economic Left/Right: 7.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Yes, the republican "progressive". Still leftist. RINOs.
    LOL, no one here buys that "no true Scotsman" bullshit. Not even you.
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    This is just an observation - not directed to any one person. I've never understood how people can get so upset over a candidate winning or losing an election. Life will go on. Why attach your own ego and emotional well-being to the performance of a political candidate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    This is just an observation - not directed to any one person. I've never understood how people can get so upset over a candidate winning or losing an election. Life will go on. Why attach your own ego and emotional well-being to the performance of a political candidate?
    Well, for one thing, Trump - or at least one of his goons - are already drafting up a plan for a "Muslim Registry." Just to show some solidarity, there are many non-Muslims - including myself - who plan on registering, in order to render any and all intentions behind that list futile.

    I don't know which group is being targeted next but, clearly, there is more at stake here than "my candidate didn't win."
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Well, for one thing, Trump - or at least one of his goons - are already drafting up a plan for a "Muslim Registry." Just to show some solidarity, there are many non-Muslims - including myself - who plan on registering, in order to render any and all intentions behind that list futile.

    I don't know which group is being targeted next but, clearly, there is more at stake here than "my candidate didn't win."
    C'mon, Rusty. I may not always agree with you, but I will admit you are one of the most intelligent members here. Do you honestly believe that a Muslim Registry will be a reality?

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