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    "We need to lower standards to attract the best talent"-Ash Carter

    "Among the benchmarks that will get new scrutiny: fitness standards, marijuana use, tattoo regulations and the military’s longtime reluctance to allow single parents to start military careers."


    http://www.militarytimes.com/article...ge-secdef-says

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    He is also quoted in that article as stating he knows some of these things won't be able to change.

    I do think single parents with critical skills should be allowed to list. If we can be single parents after we are already in, why not let them enlist with their kids? (Also they need to change paternity leave for male soldiers and make it longer than 10 days and case by case basis for single soldiers.)

    I don't think fitness standards should be lowered because Americans are too lazy to lose weight. I don't know why we are adapting to civilians and not having them adapt to us. We do have to evolve and the military has evolved with society with desegregation, integration of females, etc. But some things no.

    Marijuana use - depends. Did they get busted one or two times as a teenager. Big deal. If they have a habit of it and have been arrested repeatedly then they're probably going to keep using once they're in. I have no issue with marijuana use but it's still illegal federally.

    What happened to trying to get rid of people? Now just let anyone in? I posted this and waiting on someone I know is a recruiter to comment. See what she thinks about this.

    Just because someone is cyber or intel doesn't mean they should be fat. Smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post

    I do think single parents with critical skills should be allowed to list. If we can be single parents after we are already in, why not let them enlist with their kids? (Also they need to change paternity leave for male soldiers and make it longer than 10 days and case by case basis for single soldiers.)


    Yes, If we could only recruit more struggling single Mommies (needing a job and benefits to take care of the baby) and let them breast-feed on duty, it will do wonders to "improve" the military!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    What happened to trying to get rid of people? Now just let anyone in? I posted this and waiting on someone I know is a recruiter to comment. See what she thinks about this.
    Its cheaper to pay 3 E-1s than to keep 1 E-6 who can do the same job.

    Obama, like Clinton, gutted the military, cut the pay, and has made it more stressful than needed. Our society has become fat and lazy with the victim mentality were people don't want to put forth much effort to attain the same level of achievement as the past generations did. Instant gratification culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Yes, If we could only recruit more struggling single Mommies (needing a job and benefits to take care of the baby) and let them breast-feed on duty, it will do wonders to "improve" the military!
    There are single dads too you know. More than you think. But way to be sexist as usual.

    What's the difference between them and those single soldiers with kids who are already on duty? It's not JUST women who are single parents...so it's okay for someone to join the military, have a child and then use the benefits? But not having a kid before? Sometimes shit happens. People unexpectedly have a kid.

    I'm not sure why I'm bothering to have a discussion with you as we all know where you stand on issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Its cheaper to pay 3 E-1s than to keep 1 E-6 who can do the same job.

    Obama, like Clinton, gutted the military, cut the pay, and has made it more stressful than needed. Our society has become fat and lazy with the victim mentality were people don't want to put forth much effort to attain the same level of achievement as the past generations did. Instant gratification culture.
    Not if they're fat and have a multitude of health problems because of that obesity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    There are single dads too you know. More than you think. But way to be sexist as usual.

    Single Dads are not allowed to enlist either. But, way to play the Gender card as usual.

    Idiots like "Ash" Carter view the military as just another federal jobs program or a proving ground for their failed social experiments.

    Every one of this moron's policies flies in the face of reality.

    The fact is single parents have higher rates of attrition, absenteeism and an overall negative effect on a unit's morale and readiness.

    There's not one thing to be gained, when it comes to fighting wars in defense of the United States by Enlisting Single parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Single Dads are not allowed to enlist either. But, way to play the Gender card as usual.

    Idiots like "Ash" Carter view the military as just another federal jobs program or a proving ground for their failed social experiments.

    Every one of this moron's policies flies in the face of reality.

    The fact is single parents have higher rates of attrition, absenteeism and an overall negative effect on a unit's morale and readiness.

    There's not one thing to be gained, when it comes to fighting wars in defense of the United States by Enlisting Single parents.
    I know they aren't. That's why I said do you realize there are single dads who could enlist if single parents were allowed. I didn't pull a gender card. YOU did by saying "Yes, If we could only recruit more struggling single Mommies (needing a job and benefits to take care of the baby) and let them breast-feed on duty, it will do wonders to "improve" the military!"

    The policy applies to single parents. Not just single moms. I said "I do think single parents with critical skills should be allowed to list. If we can be single parents after we are already in, why not let them enlist with their kids? (Also they need to change paternity leave for male soldiers and make it longer than 10 days and case by case basis for single soldiers.)"

    I never singled out anyone. I said ALL single parents should be allowed to join if they have critical skills the military needs and are caring for their children and can have a FCP like every other single parent or dual military member currently serving has to have. I did also say that paternity leave should be extended for male servicemembers if you missed that part.

    You also missed where he said he realizes that a lot of policies can't be changed. They are just going to review them. As many policies and regulations are reviewed over time because it doesn't help to have policies or regulations that are decades old.

    So what say you about the single parents who are serving who have been deployed and still are able to care for their kids and make sure they have what they need? Or dual military parents...what about when both of them are deployed? Or in the field?

    Can you show any type of legitimate evidence of your claim of anything you said about single parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    So what say you about the single parents who are serving who have been deployed and still are able to care for their kids and make sure they have what they need? Or dual military parents...what about when both of them are deployed? Or in the field?

    False Premise. A single parent is not "able to care for their kids and make sure they have what they need, when they're deployed".

    Someone else has to do it for them. And not only are single parents , bad for the Military readiness.....But, parental absenteeism is also detrimental for the children.




    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    Can you show any type of legitimate evidence of your claim of anything you said about single parents?
    Yeah sure I can. There's plenty of Empirical evidence out there (which is why they don't enlist them now) But, It'd be a waste of time, for me to post links, because you'll just dismiss it as being 'sexist' (which is why you had to caveat your request by saying 'legitimate' evidence).

    See, whenever Liberal loons are confronted with objective reality, they always attack the source...... Speaking of which, are they blaming Russia for the Weiner leaks yet?


    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    You also missed where he said he realizes that a lot of policies can't be changed. They are just going to review them. As many policies and regulations are reviewed over time because it doesn't help to have policies or regulations that are decades old.
    No Rainmaker didn't miss anything. He just sees through Ash Carter's marxist, mix gendered, cock-sucking bullshit.

    Weaker standards means a Weaker Military. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    False Premise. A single parent is not "able to care for their kids and make sure they have what they need, when they're deployed".

    Someone else has to do it for them. And not only are single parents , bad for the Military readiness.....But, parental absenteeism is also detrimental for the children.






    Yeah sure I can. There's plenty of Empirical evidence out there (which is why they don't enlist them now) But, It'd be a waste of time, for me to post links, because you'll just dismiss it as being 'sexist' (which is why you had to caveat your request by saying 'legitimate' evidence).

    See, whenever Liberal loons are confronted with objective reality, they always attack the source...... Speaking of which, are they blaming Russia for the Weiner leaks yet?




    No Rainmaker didn't miss anything. He just sees through Ash Carter's marxist, mix gendered, cock-sucking bullshit.

    Weaker standards means a Weaker Military. Period.
    I'm not liberal or conservative.

    The servicemember has to make the arrangements for when they deploy or go to the field. That isn't automatically set up. And the parent is the one providing so that the other person can assist in care.

    Plenty of kids have grown up in the military and it wasn't detrimental to them.

    No you did miss a lot. In fact it specifically states reviewing standards. Nothing has been said to lower them at this time.

    Yes conservatives never, ever attack sources do they? Please...give me a break. Conservatives and liberals are equally insane.

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