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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Well if you note, most of the states which are pushing AGAINST them are being pushed by liberal activists..
    Since there used to NOT be Voter ID laws...wouldn't it be more proper to say they new laws are being pushed by conservative activists? Whilst the liberals and simply trying to keep us free from government overreach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Founding Fathers didn't need a photo ID to vote...gnome saying
    When they voted women nor blacks could vote. Freedom of speech only applied to newspapers, pamphlets and public speech. In the colonial period, men (only men, white ones ... that owned land) would report to the polling place and everyone knew each other on sight. Times change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post

    There was no SCOTUS before 1790, so...since it's inception?

    Now...these above cases in the OP were not SCOTUS cases...but, I get your meaning...any decision you disagree with is the definition of activist liberal judges.

    That said...I'm not really familiar with the facts you are posting...what city had 120% voter turnout?
    Not sure if you've been told, but the first SCOTUS came about Sep 24, 1789.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...-supreme-court
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Founding Fathers didn't need a photo ID to vote...gnome saying
    Actually, yes you did. It wasn't photo ID, but it was the deed to your property that you needed to present since only land owners could vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    When they voted women nor blacks could vote. Freedom of speech only applied to newspapers, pamphlets and public speech. In the colonial period, men (only men, white ones ... that owned land) would report to the polling place and everyone knew each other on sight. Times change.
    This is completely false. There was no mention of any race or gender in the original words of the constitution or as it pertained to voting rights. Only thing you needed to be was a land owner.
    1776
    Only people who own land can vote
    Declaration of Independence signed. Right to vote during the Colonial and Revolutionary periods is restricted to property owners—most of whom are white male Protestants over the age of 21.
    1787
    No federal voting standard—states decide who can vote
    U.S. Constitution adopted. Because there is no agreement on a national standard for voting rights, states are given the power to regulate their own voting laws. In most cases, voting remains in the hands of white male landowners.

    Men of all races, and women too, who owned land, could vote. Once the state became in charge of deciding who could vote, they put restrictions on who could own land (ie women couldn't or frowned upon), but blacks still could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Actually, yes you did. It wasn't photo ID, but it was the deed to your property that you needed to present since only land owners could vote.



    This is completely false. There was no mention of any race or gender in the original words of the constitution or as it pertained to voting rights. Only thing you needed to be was a land owner.
    1776
    Only people who own land can vote
    Declaration of Independence signed. Right to vote during the Colonial and Revolutionary periods is restricted to property owners—most of whom are white male Protestants over the age of 21.
    1787
    No federal voting standard—states decide who can vote
    U.S. Constitution adopted. Because there is no agreement on a national standard for voting rights, states are given the power to regulate their own voting laws. In most cases, voting remains in the hands of white male landowners.

    Men of all races, and women too, who owned land, could vote. Once the state became in charge of deciding who could vote, they put restrictions on who could own land (ie women couldn't or frowned upon), but blacks still could.
    Let me rephrase: They had no guaranteed national right to vote. Blacks were not guaranteed the right to vote until the ratification of the 15th Amendment in 1870. At the time of the nation's founding, in some places / pockets ... blacks and women could vote ... but for the most part ... most of them could not. I don't think that makes my point "completely false" ... but I could have / should have phrased it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Let me rephrase: They had no guaranteed national right to vote. Blacks were not guaranteed the right to vote until the ratification of the 15th Amendment in 1870. At the time of the nation's founding, in some places / pockets ... blacks and women could vote ... but for the most part ... most of them could not. I don't think that makes my point "completely false" ... but I could have / should have phrased it better.
    Yeah, you're right, not "completely false". Also, white males weren't guaranteed the right to vote either. Washington only had 6% of the entire population turn out to vote in the first election.
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    So, if these aren't enough proof of why voter ID should be required, what will?

    http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp
    http://www.rnla.org/survey.asp

    These are from a "right wing" site, but they are talking about convictions in the court of law over the past few years and decade. Its not made up, its just verifiable facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Not sure if you've been told, but the first SCOTUS came about Sep 24, 1789.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...-supreme-court
    Yes....confirmed on that day...

    "...first session met Feb 1, 1790..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Actually, sadly to say, Judges are just as guilty of opinionated verdicts to fall in line with their ideologies as anyone else. Its like the whole thing over Obamacare and how people are forced to buy something against their will. The SCOTUS didn't see the same opinion as the people who brought the lawsuit, so it was struck down and now people have to buy something or get taxed for not having it. Since 1790's, when the SCOTUS ruled they were allowed to interpret the constitution instead of reading it literally, the SCOTUS has been the safe haven for activist judges passing laws without the population's consent.
    What particular facts did these judges get wrong, and where in the written decision is that error made? What specific errorts of fact or law are you talking about and what precedent or stature do you base your opinion on? Or to put it more simply have you actualy read any of the decisions? They are all easily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Actually, yes you did. It wasn't photo ID,
    Pretty amazing how you can first say what I said isn't right, then follow that up immediately with what I just said.

    "You didn't need photo ID."

    "Actually you did, but not a photo ID"

    Brilliant...you should run for office.
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