Page 4 of 7 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 68

Thread: Instant E7 or O6?

  1. #31
    Senior Member Rusty Jones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    3,936
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Wait... is it even the CIA's job to conduct "offensive operations" in the first place? I thought their job was to collect and disseminate intel to the people who DO conduct the offensive ops.
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
    -Rainmaker, referencing black males

  2. #32
    Administrator Mjölnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    2,964
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    The point that I am making, and the point that you are avoiding, is that the cyber warfare specialists, i.e. the worker bees, can be civilians.?
    For Computer Network Defense, yes. For overt Computer Network Exploitation and Offensive Operations, no ... must be military.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Do you really believe that the CIA is not conducting Offensive Cyber Operations, especially against ISIS?
    I believe if they are doing Offensive Cyber it falls under covert ops (Title 50) vice overt ops (Title 10).
    The most important six inches on the battlefield ... is between your ears.

  3. #33
    Administrator Mjölnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    2,964
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Wait... is it even the CIA's job to conduct "offensive operations" in the first place? I thought their job was to collect and disseminate intel to the people who DO conduct the offensive ops.
    The CIA conducts Covert Operations, some of which could be considered offensive (deny, degrade, destroy), but being covert, they are governed by Title 50. Military Operations are overt, governed by Title 10.

    The SeAL mission (supported by other entities) that killed Osama bin Laden was a covert operation and governed by Title 50, not by Title 10.
    The most important six inches on the battlefield ... is between your ears.

  4. #34
    Senior Member Rainmaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    on a Marl Road
    Posts
    3,882
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post

    The SeAL mission (supported by other entities) that killed Osama bin Laden
    Pfftttt. .Shoot us a PM commander. Rainmaker's Got a cant miss investment opportunity for you on some reclaimed swampland!
    Last edited by Rainmaker; 06-22-2016 at 06:14 PM.

  5. #35
    Senior Member USN - Retired's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Ewa Beach, Hawaii
    Posts
    702
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    For Computer Network Defense, yes. For overt Computer Network Exploitation and Offensive Operations, no ... must be military.

    I believe if they are doing Offensive Cyber it falls under covert ops (Title 50) vice overt ops (Title 10).
    So back to the question that you keep dodging...

    Why would a cyber warfare specialist, i.e. the person at the computer terminal, need to be uniformed military? The person in overall command may need to be military, but the worker bees on the computer terminals don't need to be military. The cyber warfare specialists are support personnel just like all the other DOD civilians.
    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others

  6. #36
    Administrator Mjölnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    2,964
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Pfftttt. .Shoot us a PM commander. Rainmaker's Got a cant miss investment opportunity for you on some reclaimed swampland!
    That worked for Walt Disney ...
    The most important six inches on the battlefield ... is between your ears.

  7. #37
    Senior Member Rainmaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    on a Marl Road
    Posts
    3,882
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    That worked for Walt Disney ...
    Disney's company has since been taken over by Jew-fags! /s
    Last edited by Rainmaker; 06-22-2016 at 08:18 PM.

  8. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Dayon, Ohio
    Posts
    1,244
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    So back to the question that you keep dodging...

    Why would a cyber warfare specialist, i.e. the person at the computer terminal, need to be uniformed military? The person in overall command may need to be military, but the worker bees on the computer terminals don't need to be military. The cyber warfare specialists are support personnel just like all the other DOD civilians.
    I believe the point he's making that you keep missing is that laws such as Geneva Convention and the Law of Armed Conflict require that attacks must be conducted by members of the military.

    He's saying that hacking into China's servers is an act of war just lake invading Iraq via land is an act of war. Some things need to be done by actual military troops or they violate the Geneva Convention.

  9. #39
    Administrator Mjölnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    2,964
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    So back to the question that you keep dodging...

    Why would a cyber warfare specialist, i.e. the person at the computer terminal, need to be uniformed military? The person in overall command may need to be military, but the worker bees on the computer terminals don't need to be military. The cyber warfare specialists are support personnel just like all the other DOD civilians.
    I am not dodging it, I don't think you understand the situation.

    Think of the cyber operator on the keyboard as the non-kinetic infantryman. When he/she pushes [enter] and transmits a weaponized data packet, malicious code, command etc. that is the 'bullet'. When that act is overt, it is under Title 10 and the person in charge (platoon commander or cyber officer) must be military; the worker bee (infantryman) pressing enter (pulling the trigger) must be military.

    We could not deploy a platoon of contract infantry with a military commander in a Title 10 mission, same for cyber.
    The most important six inches on the battlefield ... is between your ears.

  10. #40
    Administrator Mjölnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    2,964
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Disney's company has since been taken over by Jew-fags!
    And they got rich off that swamp land.
    The most important six inches on the battlefield ... is between your ears.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •