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    Pete Rose

    I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

    If he did drugs, beat his wife/child, raped someone...he'd not only be in the HOF, but probably managing a team. He has more than served his time.

    I get not allowing him to participate in games anymore...but his playing accomplishments are more than worthy...the HOF is incomplete without him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

    If he did drugs, beat his wife/child, raped someone...he'd not only be in the HOF, but probably managing a team. He has more than served his time.

    I get not allowing him to participate in games anymore...but his playing accomplishments are more than worthy...the HOF is incomplete without him.
    It was a different time in 1989. Back then, children looked up to professional athletes and professional athletes were expected to conduct themselves accordingly. I'm a Philadelphia sports fan, I place a nice chunk of the blame on Allen Iverson for changing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

    If he did drugs, beat his wife/child, raped someone...he'd not only be in the HOF, but probably managing a team. He has more than served his time.

    I get not allowing him to participate in games anymore...but his playing accomplishments are more than worthy...the HOF is incomplete without him.
    There is no doubt he should be in. The HoF has some weird guidelines. I know baseball and football are different, but is there any doubt that Ray Lewis will make the HoF? No doubt at all...and he was involved in a murder.

    The only thing that makes Rose a little different was that his had to do with, possibly, fixing games (I don't believe that to be the case but it could be a perception) with his betting. Either way, it doesn't matter. He's one of the best ever and should be in.

    Hell, team owners, etc are allowed to compete in Draft Kings/other daily fantasy stuff without it being an issue. Seems like that would be far more concerning when it comes to certain decisions on the field and the "integrity of the game".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    It was a different time in 1989. Back then, children looked up to professional athletes and professional athletes were expected to conduct themselves accordingly. I'm a Philadelphia sports fan, I place a nice chunk of the blame on Allen Iverson for changing that.
    I never realized, until recently, that Iverson had such a problem with alcohol. I'm sure people are aware but, being from the West Coast, I never really cared much about the happenings in the east. If Iverson would have played his cards right, he could have been what Stephen Curry is today. Philly could have competed for a title almost every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Hell, team owners, etc are allowed to compete in Draft Kings/other daily fantasy stuff without it being an issue. Seems like that would be far more concerning when it comes to certain decisions on the field and the "integrity of the game".
    I think players are in on that, too...but limited in how much they can bet.

    There is a skeptic in me that says there is way too much money involved in any professional sport to believe it is entirely legitimate.

    ...but, I enjoy it anyway...just like we know the drama of a good movie is "fake"...it can still be fun to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    I think players are in on that, too...but limited in how much they can bet.

    There is a skeptic in me that says there is way too much money involved in any professional sport to believe it is entirely legitimate.

    ...but, I enjoy it anyway...just like we know the drama of a good movie is "fake"...it can still be fun to watch.
    It just seems crazy to me. Imagine I'm a receiver for the Jaguars. I take another team's QB for the fantasy. It's the 4th quarter and we're getting killed. No chance of a comeback. It's pretty easy for me to drop a couple passes that will, ultimately, make no difference in the game but will give me a little advantage in the fantasy.

    Does it happen? I don't know. But it seems just as likely as Pete Rose's betting having anything to do with performance of his players on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    There is a skeptic in me that says there is way too much money involved in any professional sport to believe it is entirely legitimate.
    I think it's pretty legitimate, for the most part. If anything, refs would be able to have more impact than anything. And as a fan, I always believe the ref is backing the other team...even though I know it's not true. But for players to have any part in it, I think there are just too many variables for that to really be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I never realized, until recently, that Iverson had such a problem with alcohol. I'm sure people are aware but, being from the West Coast, I never really cared much about the happenings in the east. If Iverson would have played his cards right, he could have been what Stephen Curry is today. Philly could have competed for a title almost every year.
    Iverson wasn't nearly as good a shooter....but, man, he was fast!

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    It just seems crazy to me. Imagine I'm a receiver for the Jaguars. I take another team's QB for the fantasy. It's the 4th quarter and we're getting killed. No chance of a comeback. It's pretty easy for me to drop a couple passes that will, ultimately, make no difference in the game but will give me a little advantage in the fantasy.
    Honestly, if they keep the amounts small, I don't think there is much to worry about there...the players stats and all that mean more to his livelihood regardless of the outcome of the game.

    Does it happen? I don't know. But it seems just as likely as Pete Rose's betting having anything to do with performance of his players on the field.
    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I think it's pretty legitimate, for the most part. If anything, refs would be able to have more impact than anything. And as a fan, I always believe the ref is backing the other team...even though I know it's not true. But for players to have any part in it, I think there are just too many variables for that to really be possible.
    There was that one NBA ref caught up in some corruption scheme, wasn't there? I don't remember the details...but, you're probably right, it probably comes more from the refs, league officials, stuff like that. I'm a big NASCAR fan and fans are always bitching about the seemingly random calls NASCAR makes on when to throw a caution, or divvying out penalties for different infractions depending on which team/driver did it....most of it is like any sport, you hate it when it goes against you and try to find fault...but, some, sure seem to favor certain popular teams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    There was that one NBA ref caught up in some corruption scheme, wasn't there? I don't remember the details...
    It was in the Lakers/Kings series in the Western conference finals a few years back.

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    The Pete Rose ruling goes back to the first Commissioner of Baseball - Keenesaw Mountain Landis after the "Black Sox" scandal. Google it for the full story...
    In a nutshell, the Black Sox player were acquitted at trial, but Commissioner Landis ruled that "Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player who throws a ball game, no player who undertakes or promises to throw a ball game, no player who sits in confidence with a bunch of crooked ballplayers and gamblers, where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball."
    That set the precedent that was used with Pete Rose.
    I feel Rose should be in the Hall of Fame - no doubt about it. Until Pro Baseball is willing to make an official ruling regarding the steroid era, they appear to be cherry picking what is harmful to the sport and what is not.

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