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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Yep. I completely get your whole, " You Want equality? OK, you're drafted!" viewpoint.

    But, If you changed the M/F ratio of the Army to 50/50 today, then it'd just be the men picking up the slack anyway. Think of all the problems we already have.

    Face it. Drafting teenage girls and putting them on the battlefield are just more rapes, pregnancies and mental problems waiting to happen. Surely, you can see that this will not end well?

    Life's not fair. The military is not the place for social engineering projects & there's no reason to be trying to cram square pegs into round holes, just so that the Man-Hating Rachael Madows of the world can declare yet another Victory over the rest of society.
    As I have said, if we get to the point where we are using the draft because our volunteer military can't sustain the numbers, then shit has hit the fan.

    The draft isn't just for infantry type roles despite that being the primary excuse to keep them out. How many men were drafted and didn't get put into infantry?

    All the problems? You mean sexual assault? You do know more men are being sexually assaulted then females right? They're reporting it more at the very least. Sexual assault and rape are not gender specific crimes. Men were being raped and assaulted before women were integrated. It just wasn't reported or talked about.

    The whole "more rapes, pregnancies and mental problems" argument is just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    As I have said, if we get to the point where we are using the draft because our volunteer military can't sustain the numbers, then shit has hit the fan.

    The draft isn't just for infantry type roles despite that being the primary excuse to keep them out. How many men were drafted and didn't get put into infantry?
    Heck my dad was drafted and served in the AF as a ground refueler... My uncle went in the marines as a code cracker. So as Sparks says, not all draftee rolls will be combat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Heck my dad was drafted and served in the AF as a ground refueler... My uncle went in the marines as a code cracker. So as Sparks says, not all draftee rolls will be combat...
    Your dad was not drafted into the Air Force. Either he joined the Air Force voluntarily to avoid being drafted by the Army or Marine Corps, or he was drafted by the Army and released in order to join the Air Force.

    The Air Force of the United States (the component of the Air Force for draftees that is distinct from the Regular Air Force) exists only on paper. It has never been activated, nor has anyone ever served in it.

    The Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard will never have to draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Your dad was not drafted into the Air Force. Either he joined the Air Force voluntarily to avoid being drafted by the Army or Marine Corps, or he was drafted by the Army and released in order to join the Air Force.

    The Air Force of the United States (the component of the Air Force for draftees that is distinct from the Regular Air Force) exists only on paper. It has never been activated, nor has anyone ever served in it.

    The Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard will never have to draft.
    Sorry rusty, but he WAS drafted. Prior to his death he had a laminated pic of him WITH his draft papers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Sorry rusty, but he WAS drafted. Prior to his death he had a laminated pic of him WITH his draft papers...
    You sure about that? This is from Air Force Magazine published by the Air Force Association. http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0408draft.aspx

    "Most draftees went into the Army. A Presidential panel studying the military manpower issue reported in 1970, "The Navy and Marine Corps have occasionally issued draft calls to meet temporary shortfalls, but the Air Force has never used the draft."

    This was sometimes a cause for complaint. In 1951, Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-Tex.) accused the Air Force of attempting to "skim the cream" off the population of potential recruits. "Men of high intelligence who might have made invaluable officers for the Army are now consigned to the ranks of the Air Force as privates," Johnson charged."

    If he was drafted by the Army Air Corps, that may have been true. Everything I have read backs up what Rusty has mentioned in regards to the USAF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    You sure about that?
    As i said, back in the 80=90s when i spent holidays stateside with him over the summer, before i moved over in 90, i saw several pics of him with his draft papers...
    Though MAYBE he received them and decided to GO in the airforce rather than actually get drafted..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    The whole "more rapes, pregnancies and mental problems" argument is just ridiculous.
    -Even though they've been excluded from Ground combat MOS's....Women get PTSD at Twice the rate of Men......

    http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/...erly/V18N2.pdf

    -Even though they have unlimited free access to Health care.......... Nearly 1 in 5 Military women still get pregnant every year. Higher than Civilian women.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...011.01.017.pdf

    -And nearly 1 in 10 still have an unintended pregnancy every year. Twice the rate of Civilian women......

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/health...cies-military/

    - Research shows an estimated 20% to 40% of servicewomen experience rape or attempted rape during their military career. 20-40 Times the rate of Men.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual...tates_military

    If it's so ridiculous of a question to ask, then why is the Military spending so many resources on preventing it?

    A $ Billion a year just for PTSD.......

    http://www.nextgov.com/health/2013/0...nt-2012/69194/

    Another $152 Million a year to fund SAPRO (to say nothing of lost training time).....

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...ppropriations/

    The Marines spent a year studying and conclusively proving what everyone with a half a Brain already knows....
    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...an-summary.pdf


    "Risking the lives of a military unit in combat to provide career opportunities or accommodate the personal desires or interests of an individual, or group of individuals, is more than bad military judgment. It is morally wrong.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    -Even though they've been excluded from Ground combat MOS's....Women get PTSD at Twice the rate of Men......

    http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/...erly/V18N2.pdf

    -Even though they have unlimited free access to Health care.......... Nearly 1 in 5 Military women aged 18-44, still get pregnant every year. Higher than Civilian women.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...011.01.017.pdf

    -And nearly 1 in 10 still have an unintended pregnancy every year. Twice the rate of Civilian women......

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/health...cies-military/

    - Research shows an estimated 20% to 40% of servicewomen experience rape or attempted rape during their military career. 20-40 Times the rate of Men.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual...tates_military

    If it's so ridiculous then why is the Military spending so many resources on preventing it?

    A $ Billion a year just for PTSD.......

    http://www.nextgov.com/health/2013/0...nt-2012/69194/

    Another $152 Million a year to fund SAPRO (to say nothing of lost training time).....

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...ppropriations/

    The Marines spent a year studying and conclusively proving what everyone with a half a Brain already knows....
    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...an-summary.pdf


    "Risking the lives of a military unit in combat to provide career opportunities or accommodate the personal desires or interests of an individual, or group of individuals, is more than bad military judgment. It is morally wrong.”
    Wikipedia? Really? You know that the most recent DoD study shows that MALES are sexually assaulted and report it more often than females do. That Marine study has been thoroughly debunked by showing they had no control measures and many other inaccuracies in how they conducted their "study."

    Unintended pregnancies happen to military women for the same reason they happen to civilian women - some are taking their birth control wrong or forgetting to take it. I know civilian women who have been on birth control and gotten pregnant but find out they weren't taking it right. Some women - military or civilian - are just fucking stupid.

    Missed this part didn't you: "The military offers FDA-approved contraceptives, including emergency contraception, at no cost in its medical facilities, according to Shoshona Pilip-Florea, spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery. "It's important to note that contrary to the study, Navy Medicine has consistently found that the number of unintended pregnancies among female sailors and Marines is comparable to the national rates in the general population," Pilip-Florea wrote in an e-mail."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    Missed this part didn't you: "The military offers FDA-approved contraceptives, including emergency contraception, at no cost in its medical facilities, according to Shoshona Pilip-Florea, spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery. "It's important to note that contrary to the study, Navy Medicine has consistently found that the number of unintended pregnancies among female sailors and Marines is comparable to the national rates in the general population," Pilip-Florea wrote in an e-mail."
    This is a perfect reason why taxpayers shouldn't be paying for contraception at all when it comes to "women's healthcare". If the unwanted pregnancy rates are the same for those with free contraception and those without it then quit trying to require healthcare companies to finance it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    This is a perfect reason why taxpayers shouldn't be paying for contraception at all when it comes to "women's healthcare". If the unwanted pregnancy rates are the same for those with free contraception and those without it then quit trying to require healthcare companies to finance it.
    Good point SJ. If women without HC get pregnant at the same 'rate' as those with Free health care, then its obvious the 'free health care' is not doing anything...

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