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    Anybody checked out the ESPN '30 for 30' episode on the Duke lacrosse team's rape circus and the disgusting actions taken to destroy those kids lives during an election year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Anybody checked out the ESPN '30 for 30' episode on the Duke lacrosse team's rape circus and the disgusting actions taken to destroy those kids lives during an election year?
    Yep, but fell asleep. I need to go back and rewatch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Yep, but fell asleep. I need to go back and rewatch it.
    That show should be required viewing for every young man heading off to college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    Wow that's an old one (sorry I've seen almost every episode when they play the marathons on TV).
    Well, its not old for me (actually its only about 3 years back in seasons iirc)..

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    But people get confused when a case is "unfounded." That does not mean it didn't happen. It means there isn't enough evidence to pursue charges.
    True, it is often hard to recognize the difference between lack of proof and false accusations..

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    So if people want to punish an accusation that's unfounded that's the wrong answer. I don't think victims have an issue with prosecuting someone who flat out lies and it's proven.
    Not based on my experience.. My last Seabee command, i was good friends with our LN1 and She had lots of cases where claims of sexual assault were PROVEN to be false, but nothing what so ever got done to the person making those false claims.. All cause the uppers always felt "If we did punish the false accusers, it might hurt those who really do get raped/assaulted in making them feel like not wanting to come forward".
    Which to ME is a load of bull..

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    She got charged with filling a false statement and maybe something else. I can't remember. Not the worst punishment but at least she got punished. I don't know why you would falsely accuse someone not even in the same state as you at the time...
    Wow.. Not what i have seen. Heck at ETA school in 93, we had a case on base where one gal who was KNOWN by quite a lot of people to have shacked up with a Nuke power school student, cried rape on HIM after he dumped her when he graduated. Even after she was confronted with the evidence her claim was false, she kept to her story saying "He dumped me, i want his ass to suffer".. BUT cause it was right after tailhook, he still got dicked over..

    Nothing happened to her though.


    Oh and in a related news story, the gay guy who accused Whole foods of homophobia, not only recanted his statement, but dropped his suit, realizing his statements were proven false..
    But i don't see ANY mention in the media if HE's gonna get charged by the cops for making said false claims....

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Well, its not old for me (actually its only about 3 years back in seasons iirc)..



    True, it is often hard to recognize the difference between lack of proof and false accusations..



    Not based on my experience.. My last Seabee command, i was good friends with our LN1 and She had lots of cases where claims of sexual assault were PROVEN to be false, but nothing what so ever got done to the person making those false claims.. All cause the uppers always felt "If we did punish the false accusers, it might hurt those who really do get raped/assaulted in making them feel like not wanting to come forward".
    Which to ME is a load of bull..



    Wow.. Not what i have seen. Heck at ETA school in 93, we had a case on base where one gal who was KNOWN by quite a lot of people to have shacked up with a Nuke power school student, cried rape on HIM after he dumped her when he graduated. Even after she was confronted with the evidence her claim was false, she kept to her story saying "He dumped me, i want his ass to suffer".. BUT cause it was right after tailhook, he still got dicked over..

    Nothing happened to her though.


    Oh and in a related news story, the gay guy who accused Whole foods of homophobia, not only recanted his statement, but dropped his suit, realizing his statements were proven false..
    But i don't see ANY mention in the media if HE's gonna get charged by the cops for making said false claims....
    Why would the media go after that? Did he file a false official statement? If not, then there's not much they can do. The Whole Foods could sue him.

    That guy is a douche for doing that.

    Of course if it was after Tailhook they wouldn't do anything. My incident happened within the last few years. If the command doesn't want to push UCMJ on someone, they won't. You can't make them. So if it's proven false and no one files paperwork on them, then nothing will be done.

    I've had to tell victims that their case was labeled "unfounded" and look at them take that news in. Unfortunately that's usually what happens when people wait to report. Physical evidence is gone. Witnesses aren't very reliable IF there were witnesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    Why would the media go after that? Did he file a false official statement? If not, then there's not much they can do. The Whole Foods could sue him.
    The false statement IS the fact he filed a lawsuit on false premises.. And as for why the media should 'go after it', its linked to my statement earlier, that the press should in some way be pressured to give EQUAL airtime to trying to push out that "we screwed the fuck up when we jumped on the 'this guys bad' bandwagon without doing our due diligence in researching if he was or wasn't guilty"..

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    Of course if it was after Tailhook they wouldn't do anything. My incident happened within the last few years. If the command doesn't want to push UCMJ on someone, they won't. You can't make them. So if it's proven false and no one files paperwork on them, then nothing will be done.
    But to me that's bull. It shouldn't matter when it happens. If the charges are proven false, then someone SHOULDN'T get punished "just cause"..

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    I've had to tell victims that their case was labeled "unfounded" and look at them take that news in. Unfortunately that's usually what happens when people wait to report. Physical evidence is gone. Witnesses aren't very reliable IF there were witnesses.
    Agreed. Which is why so many crimes DO have statue of limitations.. Cause after a while they get that much harder to prove..

    PS. Do you have issues multi-quoting, or is it more that you just can't be bothered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    The false statement IS the fact he filed a lawsuit on false premises.. And as for why the media should 'go after it', its linked to my statement earlier, that the press should in some way be pressured to give EQUAL airtime to trying to push out that "we screwed the fuck up when we jumped on the 'this guys bad' bandwagon without doing our due diligence in researching if he was or wasn't guilty"..



    But to me that's bull. It shouldn't matter when it happens. If the charges are proven false, then someone SHOULDN'T get punished "just cause"..



    Agreed. Which is why so many crimes DO have statue of limitations.. Cause after a while they get that much harder to prove..

    PS. Do you have issues multi-quoting, or is it more that you just can't be bothered?
    I wasn't sure how to do that multiquote thing so I haven't.

    I didn't do read much about this until I saw that he lied about the cake and he wrote it.

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    In related news, yet another black person made a false accusation of a hate crime, and cause of video evidence that it WAS NOT, he is not getting charged for said false accusations.. To me that is Bull..

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    In related news, yet another black person made a false accusation of a hate crime, and cause of video evidence that it WAS NOT, he is not getting charged for said false accusations.. To me that is Bull..
    Are you talking about the cake thing at a Whole Foods in Texas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Are you talking about the cake thing at a Whole Foods in Texas?
    Nope. Black student Marcus Owens at the University of Iowa..
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...s_empathy.html

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2641252

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/17/bl...e-gets-caught/

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