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    The Army may be blowing up its entire body composition regulation

    http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...tion/83716826/

    "The Army regulation governing body fat and height and weight standards will go under a complete review this summer, officials told Army Times. Also being reviewed is the Army’s controversial tape test."

    For those who are or have been Army what are your views on the body composition regulation and the tape test? Does it need an overhaul? What could or should replace the current system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...tion/83716826/

    "The Army regulation governing body fat and height and weight standards will go under a complete review this summer, officials told Army Times. Also being reviewed is the Army’s controversial tape test."

    For those who are or have been Army what are your views on the body composition regulation and the tape test? Does it need an overhaul? What could or should replace the current system?
    If its anything like the AF, I am pretty sure its the dumbest thing for an military ever to have. Why have these small, skinny weak guys to fight vs big strong guys? Can they run? Fight? Kill? Body standards is only for the bottom line, but that doesn't win wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    If its anything like the AF, I am pretty sure its the dumbest thing for an military ever to have. Why have these small, skinny weak guys to fight vs big strong guys? Can they run? Fight? Kill? Body standards is only for the bottom line, but that doesn't win wars.
    I don't know what's the AF standards like? I know that it counts as part of their PT test or something. Just from what I've heard in being in a joint unit.

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    I never liked the height/weight standards, tape test or the weight control program. I saw too many good soldiers separated simply because he/she can not meet a criteria that in many cases is unattainable for some. I've seen soldiers that were "overweight" run two miles in 11 minutes. I've also seen "fit" soldiers that were no able to perform manual carries to evacuate casualties or perform a vehicle crewmember extraction from a tank. But at least they looked "Army" in their uniform.
    I hope this is not trading one crappy policy for an even crappier one.

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    The only difference between Army and Navy PT tests is that the Army has a two mile run, vs the Navy's 1.5 mile run.

    While I was in the Navy, I actually wondered why Airmen complained about the PT test, but now that I'm Air Force Reserve... I see what all of the fuss is about. In my estimation, the Air Force has the second hardest PT test after the Marine Corps. I know that Soldiers and Sailors will want to kill me for saying that, but it's the truth.

    At least in the Army and Navy, you pass the PT test if you score the minimum for the pushup, situp, and run. If you want to conserve energy for the run in either of those services; you do the minimum required pushups and situps, and you're good to go.

    But not in the Air Force. Like the Marine Corps, the overall minimum required score is higher than the sum of the minimums.

    Not only that... but the Air Force actually take it one step farther than ALL of the services (including the Marine Corps) - you actually LOSE POINTS if your waist is larger than 34 or 35 inches, depending on your age. Not even the Marine Corps does that.

    There is absolutely NO need for the Air Force to have a PT test that fucking hard. It's my belief that the Air Force only has a PT test like this to force attrition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    The only difference between Army and Navy PT tests is that the Army has a two mile run, vs the Navy's 1.5 mile run.

    While I was in the Navy, I actually wondered why Airmen complained about the PT test, but now that I'm Air Force Reserve... I see what all of the fuss is about. In my estimation, the Air Force has the second hardest PT test after the Marine Corps. I know that Soldiers and Sailors will want to kill me for saying that, but it's the truth.

    At least in the Army and Navy, you pass the PT test if you score the minimum for the pushup, situp, and run. If you want to conserve energy for the run in either of those services; you do the minimum required pushups and situps, and you're good to go.

    But not in the Air Force. Like the Marine Corps, the overall minimum required score is higher than the sum of the minimums.

    Not only that... but the Air Force actually take it one step farther than ALL of the services (including the Marine Corps) - you actually LOSE POINTS if your waist is larger than 34 or 35 inches, depending on your age. Not even the Marine Corps does that.

    There is absolutely NO need for the Air Force to have a PT test that fucking hard. It's my belief that the Air Force only has a PT test like this to force attrition.
    Yep, I agree. That and the bottom line of medical costs. So glad I don't have to worry anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    There is absolutely NO need for the Air Force to have a PT test that fucking hard. It's my belief that the Air Force only has a PT test like this to force attrition.
    Not just to force attrition, but to make it even cheaper when you do separate someone. When PT failure is the stated reason for discharge a person is entitled to 1/2 Separation Pay. Usually by the time they've reached that point they've already been reduced in rank.

    Let's say we are talking about a SSgt with 10 years of service. A lot of commanders will bust that person down from SSgt to SrA where they will either get out because of High Year Tenure (HYT) or PT Failure.

    If said person is separated under HYT as a SSgt they would be entitled to 10% of their Annual Base pay x number of years served. Knocking them down to SrA instead of SSgt makes a huge difference.

    If they are separated as a fitness failure it's even worse. They get 1/2 Separation Pay at the SrA rate instead of the SSgt rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    Not just to force attrition, but to make it even cheaper when you do separate someone. When PT failure is the stated reason for discharge a person is entitled to 1/2 Separation Pay. Usually by the time they've reached that point they've already been reduced in rank.

    Let's say we are talking about a SSgt with 10 years of service. A lot of commanders will bust that person down from SSgt to SrA where they will either get out because of High Year Tenure (HYT) or PT Failure.

    If said person is separated under HYT as a SSgt they would be entitled to 10% of their Annual Base pay x number of years served. Knocking them down to SrA instead of SSgt makes a huge difference.

    If they are separated as a fitness failure it's even worse. They get 1/2 Separation Pay at the SrA rate instead of the SSgt rate.
    Its essentially $30,000 the military "saves" by screwing their enlisted people over with. And since whites are typically the people who are less athletic and higher rates of failures, its a raycist issue too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparks82 View Post
    http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...tion/83716826/

    "The Army regulation governing body fat and height and weight standards will go under a complete review this summer, officials told Army Times. Also being reviewed is the Army’s controversial tape test."

    For those who are or have been Army what are your views on the body composition regulation and the tape test? Does it need an overhaul? What could or should replace the current system?
    Seeing how fat some people can be cause of that messed up metric, i Do feel it needs an overhaul..
    One making it more equatable between the age brackets AND sexes..

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