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    The Donald 88%.

    Can't see it . But, Rubio came in a close 2nd at 87%....Ewww....

    Anyhow,we'll be at the Trump Campaign Rally in Sarasota on this Saturday and will provide an After actions report to the Forum.

    Happy Thanksgiving All. Rainmaker Out//
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    Rainmaker, I do believe that shooting off guns to be celebratory would maybe get you into trouble at the Trumpalooza. I guess that they are just soooo 1890s.
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    One of the gals i work with at the Fabric store, went to Trump's showing in Columbus Monday.. Still have not heard an 'after action' report from her to see how it went down.

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    Post Game Wrap:

    Rainmaker arrived On site at Robarts arena in Sarasota at 0845L.

    Ran into Veterans advocate Kat" Gates-Skipper (1st Woman Marine to stay overnight in the field for combat training). She was there to give an endorsement speech to Trump. We Had a brief chat before i got in line with about 100 people were already there waiting.

    bought a couple of Trump Buttons and Red Trucker hat.

    The Local Fish wrapper reported that there was a contingent of protestors on Fruitville Rd. However, I saw none of that. It was early though and those people aren't really known for their promptness, so they may have come later.

    By the time the gates opened at 0930 the crowd numbered several thousands and there was an elephant in the parking lot and dozens of press corps.

    Visible security presence of uniformed USSS, and the professionals of the TSA. Many pros in Civies milling around the crowd as well.

    Entertainment was provided by Sarasota Vocal Vixens and a couple of speakers. The Pregame was lacking . Seemed like they only had 2 or 3 CD's on continuous loop. Hearing Elton John's Rocket man for 3 hours was tiresome.

    I'd estimate the crowd at 98% white, median age of 45. Vets were asked to self ID. probably about 1/4 of the crowd.

    Finally about 1215 The man of the hour arrived. He Stood outside talking to the several thousand procrastinators who didn't make it in. audio was piped in to the arena. He told them to stand by and he'd be back in an hour " to do a double". In the meantime his pilot would give Helo rides to the "beautiful children" whose parents said they could go.

    Following the pledge of allegiance and invocation the

    Main points were:

    Globalization and "Anti-American" Free trade deals are destroying the United States.

    Open borders are going to be closed. Illegals will be deported, but legal immigration will be expedited.

    A grungy White female looking "BlackLives Matters" Protestor interrupted for about 30 seconds. She was gently escorted out, while the 5000 people sang "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye"

    .gov is incompetent (they don't get the best people). PACS are a scam and corrupt

    He took about 15 minutes to lambast the press in attendance saying that "you know the truth but, refuse to report it".

    He's going to "put HR block out of business". If you make under $45k you'll pay no tax.

    No matter who wins, Obamacare's going to have to be repealed in 2018, because it's unsustainable.

    Veterans care in the US Is a National disgrace and he's going to fix it.

    If he wins the presidency "We're going to bomb the Hell out of ISIS, Take back Iraq and Take the Oil"

    Conclusion:
    Whatever you think of the Trump phenomenon either to be legit, or a comedy or an embarrassment, For 10K people to show up on a Thanksgiving weekend (a year before the election), in a small town like Sarasota, is really quite remarkable. Having attended the Ron Paul rally at the USF Sun dome in 2012 and also attended the one of the DC tea party protests in 2010 . The energy at this thing far surpassed those. My money's on him taking the GOP nomination wire to wire.
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    Couple of things I was giving more thought: a few weeks ago, I said in a conversation with TJ that I thought that Trump would be hard for the Democratic nominee to beat.

    After giving it more thought... I can't say that anymore. After Ben Carson's fall, Ted Cruz is now neck and neck with him, and is actually slightly ahead. But they've both only got a roughly a quarter of the conservative vote according to the polls.

    What stands out even more is that, among conservatives, you either love Trump or you hate him. I've seen too many conservatives say that they're not voting for Trump if he wins the GOP nomination. It doesn't look like conservative voters are going to unite behind Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Couple of things I was giving more thought: a few weeks ago, I said in a conversation with TJ that I thought that Trump would be hard for the Democratic nominee to beat.

    After giving it more thought... I can't say that anymore. After Ben Carson's fall, Ted Cruz is now neck and neck with him, and is actually slightly ahead. But they've both only got a roughly a quarter of the conservative vote according to the polls.

    What stands out even more is that, among conservatives, you either love Trump or you hate him. I've seen too many conservatives say that they're not voting for Trump if he wins the GOP nomination. It doesn't look like conservative voters are going to unite behind Trump.
    That's because Trump's not a conservative. He's a Populist/Economic Nationalist

    If you believe voting still matters ( I have my doubts), then No matter which side of the political spectrum you fall under, I don't see how you could not be hoping for a Trump vs. Sanders choice for the election.

    I think we'll do better with either of these two, than we will with any of the Globalist sellouts currently in charge.

    I've watched a parts of a few of His speeches before. But, it's much different when you hear it first hand, in its entirety, instead of just the sound bites (with the media spin). The populist theme was deafening
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    That's because Trump's not a conservative. He's a Populist/Economic Nationalist

    If you believe voting still matters ( I have my doubts), then No matter which side of the political spectrum you fall under, I don't see how you could not be hoping for a Trump vs. Sanders choice for the election.

    I think we'll do better with either of these two, than we will with any of the Globalist sellouts currently in charge.

    I've watched a parts of a few of His speeches before. But, it's much different when you hear it first hand, in its entirety, instead of just the sound bites (with the media spin). The populist theme was deafening
    I'm actually hoping for Bernie Sanders vs Rand Paul. If a GOP candidate HAS to take office, I'd rather it be Rand Paul. But we all know that he won't be the nominee.

    I'm all for Bernie Sanders myself, and all the polls showing Hillary Clinton ahead don't bother me. I doubt most people who said they'd vote for Hillary Clinton when asked are even going to vote in the primaries in the first place. I think they're all "casual voters."

    I'm actually shocked to see you want a Jewish socialist to win the Democratic nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    I'm all for Bernie Sanders myself, and all the polls showing Hillary Clinton ahead don't bother me. I doubt most people who said they'd vote for Hillary Clinton when asked are even going to vote in the primaries in the first place. I think they're all "casual voters."
    I think that many people will go to the polls, look at the names, and say "Oh, I recognize Hillary Clinton's name" and vote for her. I think that sometimes we overestimate the number of people who actually pay attention at all. Most people don't watch debates, don't read/watch the news, and are highly uneducated about politics of any kind. Name recognition goes along with our reality TV voting society and, unfortunately, that means that when the masses go to the polls, Hillary gets a huge bump. There aren't enough hipster reddit 20 somethings who will vote to actually give Sanders a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I think that many people will go to the polls, look at the names, and say "Oh, I recognize Hillary Clinton's name" and vote for her. I think that sometimes we overestimate the number of people who actually pay attention at all. Most people don't watch debates, don't read/watch the news, and are highly uneducated about politics of any kind. Name recognition goes along with our reality TV voting society and, unfortunately, that means that when the masses go to the polls, Hillary gets a huge bump. There aren't enough hipster reddit 20 somethings who will vote to actually give Sanders a chance.
    It's the people who actually pay attention that vote in the primaries in the first place. Those dummies you're talking about won't be voting until November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post

    I'm actually shocked to see you want a Jewish socialist to win the Democratic nomination.
    Don't get me wrong, I still think Sanders is a delusional Bolshevik jerk and could not be more diametrically opposed to Trump.

    And Letting the Militant Black activist chicks take over one of his rallies, while he stood there like a spineless moron was especially shameful.

    That said, I do think he wants to put America first and at least he calls it like he sees it and not like the other typical bullshit artists running in both political parties.

    Plus I really don't feel like seeing any mushroom clouds caused when some post menopausal chick's hormone replacement therapy meds are off. Nomsayin?
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