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    First openly gay Chief of the army.. What's your thoughts?

    According to both USA today and the LA times, Obama is nominating the first outspoken and openly gay person to head up the Army from the civilian side of house.. After serving as under secretary for several months, Mr Fanning, looks poised to take the top spot when McHugh steps down in November..


    So what's your thoughts on this?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...head/72416034/

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...919-story.html

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    It seems that no matter what, the armed forces are in for things not thought of, when I was AD.

    Women, in combat roles. A gay person in charge of the Army. A Chaplain getting sacked for counselling people. The Springfield '03 getting replaced. Coal fired ships being done away with. The USMC getting rid of their canvas leggings.

    I could go on, but what's the use?

    Garkhal, I started out being serious. Then I started to add on. Sorry about that.

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    I hope that you can find peace within, somehow. Kind of hard to do, in times like these.

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    What is the main job of a military Secretary -- Secretary of the Army in this case (not to be confused with the Chief of Staff of the Army) ... to develop, manage and present to the Secretary of Defense & Congress policies, plans, programs, and budgets and advise the President on matters related to the Army.

    Is the man qualified to do that job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    So what's your thoughts on this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Is the man qualified to do that job?
    I've heard his name many times over the years, as he's been in and around the Pentagon for quite awhile in key positions...he was even acting Secretary of the AF for awhile...

    As far as I know, he's one of the more qualified for this job rather than being simply a political appointment...at least his resume would seem to indicate that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    What is the main job of a military Secretary -- Secretary of the Army in this case (not to be confused with the Chief of Staff of the Army) ... to develop, manage and present to the Secretary of Defense & Congress policies, plans, programs, and budgets and advise the President on matters related to the Army.

    Is the man qualified to do that job?
    That is really the only question that should matter, He has enough experiences in the bureaucracy but I have no idea is he is any good. The "gay" thing is trivia and should be considered no more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post

    Is the man qualified to do that job?
    Lots of people are qualified. The question that should be asked is whether or not the man is the MOST qualified to do that job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Lots of people are qualified. The question that should be asked is whether or not the man is the MOST qualified to do that job.
    Is he the absolutely most qualified? Maybe, maybe not. Many political appointees aren't the MOST qualified. He does have a rather impressive resume that certainly qualifies him for the position, more than most ... his sexuality does absolutely nothing to unqualify him..

    To the original question though, does his sexuality matter for him to be the Secretary of the Army? IMO nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Is he the absolutely most qualified? Maybe, maybe not. Many political appointees aren't the MOST qualified. He does have a rather impressive resume that certainly qualifies him for the position, more than most ... his sexuality does absolutely nothing to unqualify him..

    To the original question though, does his sexuality matter for him to be the Secretary of the Army? IMO nope.
    Yes, I'm sure his orientation has nothing whatsoever to do with his nomination.

    But, Don't expect the "opposition party" to ask any tough questions in the confirmation process to find out. Because, No one wants to take on the Gay Militia.

    By the way, Has anyone approached you yet about the possibility of becoming Pentagon Press Secretary? You're way more diplomatic than that last Flunky Kirby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    But, Don't expect the "opposition party" to ask any tough questions in the confirmation process to find out. Because, No one wants to take on the Gay Militia.
    I wouldn't expect there to be questions about it since it isn't relevant.

    But why would it matter one way or the other?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    By the way, Has anyone approached you yet about the possibility of becoming Pentagon Press Secretary? You're way more diplomatic than that last Flunky Kirby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    I wouldn't expect there to be questions about it since it isn't relevant.

    But why would it matter one way or the other?



    1. Not a FOGO ... not going to be one.
    2. Not a public affairs officer.
    Agree. Sadly it's no longer relevant whether or not individuals appointed to positions of public trust are most qualified.

    What matters most is which "historically oppressed" victim group they claim and What affirmative action hiring quota they can fill.

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