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    2 Women to Graduate from Ranger School

    Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ranger-school/

    Their class started in April with 380 males and 17 females, will graduate with 94 males and 2 females.

    --Rangers lead the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post
    Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ranger-school/

    Their class started in April with 380 males and 17 females, will graduate with 94 males and 2 females.

    --Rangers lead the way.
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    Good on those Ladies. Proves it CAN be done without lowering standards!

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    Way to go for those two. I wouldn't make it past the icebreaker session on Day-1. Hi, I'm Flaps and I quit.

    In all seriousness, lots of hateful comments on media blogs from so-called vets. They should be ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Good on those Ladies. Proves it CAN be done without lowering standards!
    I haven't followed this story at all, but that is my question; were the standards the standards or were they adjusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mata Leao View Post
    I haven't followed this story at all, but that is my question; were the standards the standards or were they adjusted?
    They were not adjusted.

    I congratulate those ladies wholeheartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Good on those Ladies. Proves it CAN be done without lowering standards!
    I don't think there was ever a question of whether or not it CAN be done. It was fait accompli from the minute they started scouring the Army for the first couple of Olympic caliber athletes that were gonna complete the course.

    The question is whether it can be done in sufficient numbers, after you get through the first couple, you have to have them in sufficient numbers, you can't just have a couple. So, The standards will eventually drop.

    But, either way it's an impressive accomplishment. Back in the early 90s I did some night land nav training on one of the RTB intermediate courses at Camp Rudder. It's no joke. It was taking us fly boys about an hour to navigate a 100 meters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    I don't think there was ever a question of whether or not it CAN be done. It was fait accompli from the minute they started scouring the Army for the first couple of Olympic caliber athletes that were gonna complete the course.

    The question is whether it can be done in sufficient numbers, after you get through the first couple, you have to have them in sufficient numbers, you can't just have a couple. So, The standards will eventually drop.
    True. It is only telling if more ladies make it, as is (Not with any standards getting lowered).. BUT like you, i do feel eventually the Ranger school will get pressured "In the name of Diversity and equality" to lower the standards just to get more Ladies passing it..

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    Admiral Jon Greenert, the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) is greenlighting the addition of women to the Seals program.

    Also, the Marines are contemplating allowing women to train for MARSOC.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...says/31948789/

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    I was sitting back and discussing this with some folks at work earlier this week.

    What really, wickedly impresses me about the females who will graduate is that they did it without a modification of the standards.

    For reference I graduated Ranger school in 1999 (I think only 4 East Coast Marines did that year, not sure about West Coast (1MARDIV or 1st Force). I was the only Marine in the class.) I am about 6'1'' and at the time was about 200 pounds -- I am far from a stud or olympic athlete, but I have always been in decent shape. In the 62 days I was a student, I lost 22 pounds ... probably about 7-8 pounds of muscle mass. From the start, a woman has a smaller ratio or her body weight as muscle, they naturally have a higher percentage of body fat. Having seen photos of the two women who have made it, they are not hulking athletes, they appear fairly average. So, they likely have less muscle, are not as tall (think obstacle course etc.), they weigh less (higher rucksack to body weight ratios). So all told, those two women very likely had to push harder than I did to do the same thing I did ... and they did it. Good for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    True. It is only telling if more ladies make it, as is (Not with any standards getting lowered).. BUT like you, i do feel eventually the Ranger school will get pressured "In the name of Diversity and equality" to lower the standards just to get more Ladies passing it..
    I don't think we will really see that.

    In the early 80's, women were allowed to train as Navy Divers, the standard was never lowered and while the attrition rate for women is higher than for men, the standards have not been modified "in the name of diversity and equality" to allow a high pass rate for females and females remain a below average (of overall Navy female population) source of personnel for Divers and Special Operations officers (different from NSW.)

    The Ranger class graduating this week has a higher than 75% attrition rate for males, the females are just under 90%.

    For comparison:

    BUDS (SeAL training) has a roughly 75% attrition rate.

    USMC Amphibious Reconnaissance School as a 65% attrition rate.

    However, manning for SeALs, USMC Recon, the Ranger Regiment are above average as compared to other combat arms units. The Ranger regiment is manned better than other Army Airborne regiments and MARSOC has manning much better than standard infantry units ... people want to be there -- they compete to be there. There isn't a manning crunch that means they need to lower standards for anyone and still fill their TO&E. Half of the Soldiers in my Ranger class were not going to the Regiment.

    Now, the standards to become Airborne qualified were modified decades ago since the necessity to have Airborne personnel who were not also 'special operations' assets. The missions changed and the school changed to meet the requirement.
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