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    Trump & Immigration

    Trump announced his plan to fix illegal immigration:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=33114832

    I wonder how many people actually think that he (or any POTUS) has the power to make that plan happen. In particular, the birthright citizenship. That's described in the first clause of the 14th Amendment. No POTUS has the ability to alter the Constitution. Many voters will, however, applaud this and swear allegiance.

    The 14th (as discussed in another thread) was part of the Reconstruction process and was the quickest, easiest way to grant citizenship to the majority of the newly freed slaves. Probably an anachronism by today's standards, but it is still the law of the land. Regardless, the President is in no way involved with amending the Constitution.

    Just a great example of pandering to the masses to get votes from voters that don't understand how our government functions in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    Trump announced his plan to fix illegal immigration:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=33114832

    I wonder how many people actually think that he (or any POTUS) has the power to make that plan happen. In particular, the birthright citizenship. That's described in the first clause of the 14th Amendment. No POTUS has the ability to alter the Constitution. Many voters will, however, applaud this and swear allegiance.

    The 14th (as discussed in another thread) was part of the Reconstruction process and was the quickest, easiest way to grant citizenship to the majority of the newly freed slaves. Probably an anachronism by today's standards, but it is still the law of the land. Regardless, the President is in no way involved with amending the Constitution.

    Just a great example of pandering to the masses to get votes from voters that don't understand how our government functions in the first place.
    Ask Obama about the power of Executive Orders to bypass immgration laws. The man is scary. He hates the US Constitution and even jokes about a third term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS, USAF (ret) View Post
    Ask Obama about the power of Executive Orders to bypass immigration laws. The man is scary. He hates the US Constitution and even jokes about a third term.
    There is no evidence other than the babbling of a few nuts that Obama hate the Constitution Since when is making a joke forbidden? Reagan joked about killing millions of people in a nuclear war but like Obama he was just making a joke

    Unlike trump Obama has not made a plan out of ignoring the Constitution, you may not not like what he has done but Obama has the legal power to do what he has done. Trump on the other hand proposes simply ignoring the 14th, Unless he is cray/stupid enough to think that he can get the Constitution amended to end birthright citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    Trump announced his plan to fix illegal immigration:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=33114832

    I wonder how many people actually think that he (or any POTUS) has the power to make that plan happen. In particular, the birthright citizenship. That's described in the first clause of the 14th Amendment. No POTUS has the ability to alter the Constitution. Many voters will, however, applaud this and swear allegiance.

    The 14th (as discussed in another thread) was part of the Reconstruction process and was the quickest, easiest way to grant citizenship to the majority of the newly freed slaves. Probably an anachronism by today's standards, but it is still the law of the land. Regardless, the President is in no way involved with amending the Constitution.

    Just a great example of pandering to the masses to get votes from voters that don't understand how our government functions in the first place.
    That's the thing though. The 14th was meant only for slaves (and their descendents). NOT anyone just brought into the country to give birth. IMO it has been misread/applied to illegal immigrants since day 1, and thus DOES need to go.
    That said, i agree the POTUS on his own can't change it, but he can at least get the ball rolling to get it amended.

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