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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Who is the King of Tyre described Here.. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/...&byte=3114629? in EZK 28? Did he have free will?

    Who is the morning star?

    Doubt is the Devil who exists in the garden of your mind.....

    Now, Chew on this and wash it down with some kool aide you assholes......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP318pbmo_g
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    Agree, I think it's natural for most people to believe in something, because, The Human Mind has a need for Hope and Purpose.....

    There is nothing more damaging to the human mind than believing in Nothing.... ,You end up Angry with Rest of the world (who naturally believe in a power greater than themselves) and resort to insulting people for believing in an after-life because, you are not able to perceive that something beyond your own day to day control or reason could possibly exist.

    Believing in nothing greater than yourself is the left hand path recipe for ruin, that leads you to Thick-headed arrogance, unhappiness and finally depression...

    It's no coincidence that the most murderous maniacs of the 20th century were Atheists.... Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot etc
    Yes, we certainly wouldn't want a bunch of angry people who do nothing but throw insults around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    Yes, we certainly wouldn't want people who do nothing but throw insults around...
    Very True Bos!

    And because Misery loves company and since Most Atheists have no core values whatsoever..... They're always running around claiming that their opinion is "fact" and constantly trying to convince everyone else in the world not to believe in something that is natural for them to believe in.....

    So,actually, when you think about it .....Atheists are a lot like Southern Baptists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Very True Bos!

    And because Misery loves company and since Most Atheists have no core values whatsoever..... They're always running around claiming that their opinion is "fact" and constantly trying to convince everyone else in the world not to believe in something that is natural for them to believe in.....

    So,actually, when you think about it .....Atheists are a lot like Southern Baptists
    Awww...you're just sayin' that, you bitter old disenfranchised Pope-hating Catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Agree, I think it's natural for most people to believe in something, because, The Human Mind has a need for Hope and Purpose.....

    There is nothing more damaging to the human mind than believing in Nothing.... ,You end up Angry with Rest of the world (who naturally believe in a power greater than themselves) and resort to insulting people for believing in an after-life because, you are not able to perceive that something beyond your own day to day control or reason could possibly exist.

    Believing in nothing greater than yourself is the left hand path recipe for ruin, that leads you to Thick-headed arrogance, unhappiness and finally depression...
    I don't know anyone who believes in "Nothing." Your comment is nonsensical because not believing in God isn't the same thing as believing in "Nothing." Atheists don't rely on a belief in an afterlife because they accept the reality of the world and have come to view death as a natural part of existence. By not believing in an afterlife or a God allows them to free themselves from the confining doctrine of religion based not on facts but on supernatural stories. You also make the mistake of believing atheists are angry at the world and insulting others for their religious beliefs because you just confirmed with that statement that you are projecting.

    It's no coincidence that the most murderous maniacs of the 20th century were Atheists.... Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot etc
    Hitler was raised a Catholic and invoked God's name in the call for eliminating the Jews. Stalin spent five year in the Greek Orthodox seminary and when he was the leader of Russia he tried to purge the ]U]influence[/U] of religion in Russia. Pol Pot was raised in both the Buddhist and Catholic religions and his goal was for a return to Buddhist moralism. Atheism wasn't the driving force behind their atrocities; it was their political/economic ideologies and their willingness to commit atrocities to retain power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Agree, I think it's natural for most people to believe in something, because, The Human Mind has a need for Hope and Purpose.....

    There is nothing more damaging to the human mind than believing in Nothing.... ,You end up Angry with Rest of the world (who naturally believe in a power greater than themselves) and resort to insulting people for believing in an after-life because, you are not able to perceive that something beyond your own day to day control or reason could possibly exist.

    Believing in nothing greater than yourself is the left hand path recipe for ruin, that leads you to Thick-headed arrogance, unhappiness and finally depression...


    It's no coincidence that the most murderous maniacs of the 20th century were Atheists.... Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot etc
    This little speech sounds very hollow coming from someone who sees a conspiracy in nearly every aspect of modern life.

    You heap endless scorn upon almost everything that pops up in the news. Believing in a creator myth doesn't sound like it has helped you avoid thick-headed arrogance and unhappiness.
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    It makes perfect sense for people to imagine their loved ones in Heaven after death. I get that part. What I'm saying is that in these specific cases the people involved have to pretty much abandon their religious beliefs to do it. In the case of the overdose, maybe the mom believes what Bos Mutus said above. Maybe her son even in his drug induced state of mind realized he was dying and asked god for forgiveness. I guess I can see that though it probably isn't likely. If he realized he was dying he would have called 911 instead. In the case of the suicide, I don't think you can ask for forgiveness before you kill yourself. If that were possible, wouldn't it make sense for every Christian to just off their self? Why bother trying to live out the rest of this life? Just ask God for forgiveness then put a bullet in your head.

    In the two cases I mentioned, the people's belief in God is actually hindering their ability to cope. An atheist who doesn't believe in the afterlife would simply cope with the fact that their loved one is gone. Sort of like losing a pet dog. You are sad for a few days but then you just get over it. You don't comfort yourself by pretending your dog is in Heaven (well maybe some people do). If you believe in Hell and try to live your life to avoid going there that means admitting your family member is in Hell when they refused to live how you are living. If you don't believe that, why would you ever waste your time with religion?
    What they're doing is either rationalizing or ignoring the circumstances involving their deaths. Again, those are coping mechanisms individuals use to deal with the situation. When someone you know dies the unwritten rule is you don't speak ill of them which is what the mother of the son who overdosed and the sister whose brother committed suicide did. If the mom thinks her son and the sister thinks her brother are in heaven then that's their way of coping and accepting these deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    This little speech sounds very hollow coming from someone who sees a conspiracy in nearly every aspect of modern life.

    You heap endless scorn upon almost everything that pops up in the news. Believing in a creator myth doesn't sound like it has helped you avoid thick-headed arrogance and unhappiness.
    I think he likes playing the role of a provocateur. Take what he posts with a grain of salt.

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    I think this is a very good list. I find reason 6 very compelling.

    TEN REASONS TO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD

    http://paladin.hubpages.com/hub/Ten-...Believe-In-God

    REASON ONE: HE’S UNNECESSARY

    The progress of human understanding has closed more and more of the gaps of ignorance that used to be filled by God. The scientific explanations for nature agree with processes and conditions we can actually see, measure and experience, requiring fewer assumptions (and fewer leaps of blind faith) than the belief that “God did it.” This is the test of “Occam’s razor.”

    REASON TWO: HE’S IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE

    If God truly existed he would make it possible, especially for those who are skeptical, either by demonstration or by sound logical argument. He would know exactly what it would take to “open the heart” of every non-believer. Yet for more than two millenia the greatest philosophical and scientific minds of humanity - presumably inspired by God - have offered nothing more than circular and illogical arguments.

    REASON THREE: HE’S ILLOGICAL

    An omnipotent (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing) God is an absurd logical paradox. He is either unable to create an impossible task for himself or is unable to perform it once created (because it's impossible). If God knows the past, present and future, these states are known quantities and God is unable to change them, and is not omnipotent. If they are subject to change, then God cannot know them with certainty, and is not omniscient. Additionally, if he knows his own actions in advance, even his free will is in question.

    REASON FOUR: HE’S UNORIGINAL

    The idea of God(s) has changed in form and number over the millenia, from many to few and eventually, to one. As numerous mythologies have come and gone, borrowing and discarding from each other along the way, only the generic idea of deities has persisted. This suggests not a single, specific eternal god but a fluid and evolving human imagining of the supernatural.

    REASON FIVE: HE’S TOO MUCH LIKE US

    Every aspect of the mythology of God is limited by human circumstance and understanding. Like humans, he is jealous, vengeful, misogynist and cruel. Like humans of the time, his “holy” books reveal an extremely limited knowledge of the physical universe. Like humans, his religious identity is geographical, depending largely on one's nation or culture of origin. This sounds like a god created in Man's image, and not vice versa.

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus


    REASON SIX: HE’S INCOMPETENT

    He abandoned his innocent and ignorant first human creations, Adam and Eve, to be corrupted by a talking (?) serpent in the Garden of Eden, then blamed them for their failure. When their descendents went further astray, he killed them all and tried again with Noah's family. When their descendents failed as well, he sacrificed his son to assume the debt of their failure. How many fixes does an all-knowing and all-powerful God need until he gets his human creation right?

    REASON SEVEN: HE’S INCOHERENT

    If God truly existed, he would speak to each of us personally, clearly and conclusively. He would not rely on fallible priests, rabbis and mullas to represent him. His “holy” books are ambiguous and full of contradictions and inconsistencies, and there are countless contrary religions and denominations, suggesting a human, not divine, origin.

    REASON EIGHT: HE’S ASLEEP ON THE JOB

    According to the religious texts of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, God used to personally intervene constantly in human affairs through miracles, commandments, etc. He spoke clearly to some in his own voice or, more often, through angels. This was millenia ago, and any supposed witnesses or participants are lost to history. Now there is only silence, and prayers go unanswered.

    REASON NINE: YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN OTHER GODS

    With regard to most gods, you consider it perfectly normal and rational to not believe, and your skepticism is well-placed. Yet for one reason or another, you've chosen to set your skepticism aside and accept one particular deity as genuine. If those believers in other myths are mistaken, perhaps you're mistaken in your belief too.

    REASON TEN: YOU DON’T REALLY BELIEVE IN HIM, EITHER

    God is supposedly an all-pervasive deity who sees your every action and knows your every thought, and he decides your eternal destiny in either Heaven or Hell. Given the stakes, this should be the overriding concern in every moment of the life of every believer. Is it for you?
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