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    Racist Remark Ends Two Star's Career

    Air Force Times: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/m...reer/26862657/

    A racially charged comment forced Maj. Gen. Michael Keltz to resign last week, according to Air Education and Training Command.

    While serving as the convening authority at a company-grade officer's Article 15 hearing April 9, Keltz said the accused and another officer looked "drunker than 10,000 Indians" while referring to a photograph of the two officers. Blogger and former airman Tony Carr first reported Keltz's comment on his John Q. Public blog, and AETC spokeswoman Maj. Toni Whaley confirmed the statement was made in regard to a photograph of the two officers.

    As the convening authority in the Article 15 hearing, which was to determine whether the accused officer's nonjudicial punishment for an unspecified offense was too harsh, Keltz essentially served as both judge and jury.

    Because of Keltz's remark, the accused officer's Article 15 was terminated, his punishment was voided, and no decision was made at the hearing, Whaley said. That officer's case has now been sent back to his commander, who will look at the facts and decide what disciplinary action -- if any -- is appropriate, Whaley said. If the commander does decide to impose another punishment, and if the accused officer again feels it is too harsh, the officer could request another hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnir View Post

    LMAO...never heard the "drunker than 10,000 Indians". Gonna have to remember that one.

    I'm not going to stereotype, but I grew up in a place who's official name is Indian Valley. There are many, many Indians (who prefer to be called Indians, who support the Indian Head painting on the roof of the school, the Indian as the schools mascot, and the "squaw" mascot on the cheerleading squad"). Those guys can drink some alcohol.

    Just to be clear...it's not stereotyping because I've personally witnesses what I'm talking about. I'd only see them at the bar in groups of 4 or 5 and they were pretty liquored up. I can only imagine 10,000 of them at the same time.

    Oh...to relate it to this thread...even though his statement was probably accurate, he should know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    LMAO...never heard the "drunker than 10,000 Indians". Gonna have to remember that one.

    I'm not going to stereotype, but I grew up in a place who's official name is Indian Valley. There are many, many Indians (who prefer to be called Indians, who support the Indian Head painting on the roof of the school, the Indian as the schools mascot, and the "squaw" mascot on the cheerleading squad"). Those guys can drink some alcohol.

    Just to be clear...it's not stereotyping because I've personally witnesses what I'm talking about. I'd only see them at the bar in groups of 4 or 5 and they were pretty liquored up. I can only imagine 10,000 of them at the same time.

    Oh...to relate it to this thread...even though his statement was probably accurate, he should know better.
    I think his comment is more towards a person acting "like a savage" when drunk than a NA's alcohol tolerance. If he had said Irish, he might have been more accurate with that or even invoking a Manchester U nut would have made sense. But, what can you do? Freudian slip, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollyn01 View Post
    or even invoking a Manchester U nut would have made sense.
    Haters gonna hate!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollyn01 View Post
    I think his comment is more towards a person acting "like a savage" when drunk than a NA's alcohol tolerance.
    I don't think so. Native American and alcohol issues is a well known stereotype.

    Although, I always thought it was because they typically have a low-tolerance and are especially prone to alcoholism

    I've never heard this particular phrase...it was most definitely misguided for a 2-star to say in this setting...not sure it needed to be a career ender, but from his statements, it sounds like he was probably one of those guys that busted a million guys in his day under the "accountability" march, so at least had the decency to step down when the axe came his way.
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    What ever happened to being allowed to say what you want? Has society gotten so thin skinned that ANY phrase that can be taken by ANYONE as a slight now ruins lives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    What ever happened to being allowed to say what you want? Has society gotten so thin skinned that ANY phrase that can be taken by ANYONE as a slight now ruins lives?
    I agree, to a point, but this comment, by a guy who is supposed to be enforcing a "zero tolerance" policy, was idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    What ever happened to being allowed to say what you want? Has society gotten so thin skinned that ANY phrase that can be taken by ANYONE as a slight now ruins lives?
    "With great power comes great responsibility." The dude isn't a A1C yukking it up in the dayroom. He probably changed many peoples lives when he kicked them out or demoted them for lesser offenses, and if he hasnt he has the power to do so.
    And just because your local tribe is cool with the term "Indian drunk" or your only black friend is cool with you saying the "n-word" doesnt make it right, carte blanche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    What ever happened to being allowed to say what you want?
    When has that ever been a thing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos Mutus View Post
    When has that ever been a thing??
    Not that I agree with stereotyping or anything, I do hate this overly offended world we live in now.

    Saying that something is offensive is basically telling the world that you can't control your emotions and you require everyone else to do it for you.

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