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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    So, two weeks ago, when shit started heating up....your bright idea of "a modicum of common sense" is to ship the weapons out??? You wanted to tell some Marine guards in Yemen that we don't want to waste any more money so, please send their heavy weapons back to Virginia....

    ???? Wait...are you playing a character too??? This shit is too stupid to be real.



    Just shut up...you have NO idea what you talking about. 40K is NOTHING...do you know how much shit we left in Iraq? Why? Because it would have been full retard to leave people there to transfer the equipment!!!

    40K? Holy shit dude...I want to punch you in the face right now...and I'm normally known as the mild-mannered guy around here.

    Just stop...this entire thread is idiotic...and you have doubled down on it by suggesting we should ship weapons out first to save taxpayer money...seriously, my 3 yr old grandson is laughing at you...just do us all a favor and STFU.

    I seriously want to see the video where you explain to the Marine Lt. Col. why shipping their weapons out before it gets ugly is a good idea.

    This has to be the most stupidest thought process I've ever been part of in my entire life. Alcohol included.

    40K? The cost of one of the F-150s driving around Fairchild AFB giving parking tickets to a pregnant moms...and you wanna pull heavy weapons from two dozen Marines in Yemen? I have no words.

    I will gladly take a lifetime ban from this forum to tell you that you this is absolutely the dumbest argument I have ever had the displeasure to be a part of. My god...fuck me... $40k or $400K...to leave our personnel there without arms? Fuck me..get your head out of the fucking loony websites and wake up!!!
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    Garhkal...........you have fallen into a situation which is common on the MTF. You made an observation based on incomplete information and then spent the last couple of days trying to defend it as information came to light. This just dug the hole deeper.

    There is a lot of common sense in MM's response to you regarding the timing of the destruction of the weapons, both the crew served and personal defense weapons. The only real WTF moment I have had in all the reporting of this was that their personal defense weapons had been left behind (official DoD statements claimed they had been disabled and handed over to the Yemeni security detail that escorted them to the airport). Further reporting that this was because they were departing via civilian aircraft, while completely stupid, does make sense in this upside world we live in. I have seen equally stupid decisions being forced upon US officials so can't say I am completely flabbergasted.

    Just acknowledge that this isn't the personal machinations of Obama and move on.
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    I have said it in here someone before that I attended the Marine Security Guard (Det Commander) Course for a couple of weeks before I was notified I was selected for commissioning. With that caveat:

    The primary mission of Marine Security Guards is internal security at diplomatic and consular facilities so as to protect classified material vital to the national security of the United States. The secondary mission of the Guards is to provide protection for U.S. citizens and U.S property located within those posts. To do either of those missions, you need weapons ... sometimes a lot of them. If you have never seen the armory for an Embassy Guard detachment, you are missing out.

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    Isn't this standard procedure with all emergency evacuations?
    Yes, and no. Depending on the withdrawl and how much notification you have to execute the evacuation. If you have weeks of notification you can start to phase out what you have on site but still need to retain a certain amount of firepower relative to the assessed threat. You need to keep that firepower on hand until all the classified is out or destroyed and then the personnel are out. The announcement to close the embassy was made Tues and the Ambassador ordered to leave by THURS, so 48 hours. I don't know if they had advanced warning or not but still, based on the situation outside (if it were me) I would want to retain some crew served weapons capability to repel folks rushing my position.

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    Maybe I'm an idiot (strong possibility)
    That is your call

    BT BT

    I read this AM that the Marines also as they departed turned over their personal weapons, seems odd to me sure ... but if that is what they were ordered to do as part of the evacuation plan ... there you have it.

    BT BT

    So, what was the cost of destroying these weapons (and some vehicles at the embassy etc.) Yeah, it is a shame to disable otherwise well serviced and maintained gear. At the same time, I would want that gear up until the point I no longer needed it, which is about the time I am getting my detachment out of the country. How much money was lost ... $40k, $60k, $100k ... does it matter? That was what was spent to ensure the protection of the classified, the civilian U.S. personnel and those Marines until they were out of the country and harm's way. How much does it cost to rescue a downed pilot with a TRAP team, or to conduct search operations in a DUSTWUN scenario, or to search for a Sailor lost at sea? It isn't cheap ... but it is the price we are willing to pay to recover & or protect people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncaRastus View Post
    Marines clean their weapons before they eat. They sometimes sleep with them during boot camp, because of some infraction by a single recruit. During boot camp, some D.I.s make the recruits give their rifles a girl's name. The Rifleman's Creed, a sort of prayer, is recited by recruits. A Marine without his rifle is like a day without air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Just shut up...you have NO idea what you talking about. 40K is NOTHING...do you know how much shit we left in Iraq? Why? Because it would have been full retard to leave people there to transfer the equipment!!!
    SO cause we left shit back in Iraq (which to me was stupid as hell, since a lot of it has gotten into ISIS's hands), we should not worry about doing it again? ANd you call me stupid? Stupid is doing the same dumb stuff time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Just stop embarrassing yourself.

    I never pretend to be a combat veteran....,but your continuing to expand on your initial ignorance is just plain embarrassing.

    Truly the dumbest post of the year...and several years.
    Since every year, when i was in, we had seminars and such discussing how "to try and prevent fraud, waste and abuse", how is me saying it's stupid to continually leave hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gear behind, rather than spending the extra day or two to ship that shit out of country? IMO that is the HEIGHT of waste.

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    The Embassy security is there to protect Americans and the embassy staff, including the ambassador. They are under orders given by the ambassador. Until the ambassador is out of there, Marines have to remain where they are. If there is an incoming attack on the embassy, and the Marines are still there, in the last men out strategy that has been in place for many years, the Marines need to have all of the possible weapons on hand to repel such attacks.

    To pull out all of the Marines firepower prior to the Marines being authorized to leave would leave a bunch of dead Marines.

    Ambassadors are very hard to budge out of embassies. They are THE political power that the USA has in place in those countries.

    How much is an American life worth? How much is a Marine's life worth? How about the ambassador?

    I agree with the fact that sometimes we leave too much gear. But if, say the enemy gets a tank. Or anything else that would need parts, pretty quickly, because tanks eat parts, as well as much of what we might abandon. Where would the enemy get those parts? From the nearby junkyard?

    No, the only place that makes those parts are the USA, hopefully. Or a very close ally. When much of our gear breaks down, it is just a pile of metal.

    Like I said, yes, sometimes we do leave stuff. And sometimes also, what we leave may be either next to breaking down, or already broken down.

    Anyhow, if the Marines leave some wrecked weapons, that is because they have to have them on hand until the last moment. The ambassador has the say for when they can leave. In the case of Benghazi, we know why the Marines were not on hand, because they were ordered out by the ambassador.

    That guy is dead because of no Marine guards being there to protect him. It has been said that he really had no grasp of the stupidity of ordering the Marine out of Benghazi.

    Which is pretty darned obvious now, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellJD1969 View Post
    Well this looks like another rousing foreign policy success!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

    Don't worry. We just Arab Springed some folks... it's all part of the the PNAC plan to expand Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. Everything is right on track...Bahrain is next...
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