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Thread: Duke university to start Muslim call to prayer in Jan 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I am an Agnostic, so care not if they had made it a Christian nation, but that Jefferson did mention he felt there should be separation between church and state AFTER the Constitution was wrote, being considered part of it where i have issues. Its like if i penned my will, but later on mentioned that "i really should have had XYZ in it" doesn't make it so.
    ...poor analogy. Jefferson wasn't wishing the Constitution said something else...he was explaining it's practical application using a metaphor.

    More like you said.. "x-ray, yankee, zebra" in your will

    ...someone asks, "what exactly does that mean?"

    You say, "it means 'XYZ'"

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    I personally think people look way too hard at this, from all sides. What I've always taken from it is that the U.S. government can not force a specific religion, or have a "State religion", as England did at the time. I really don't think they cared what symbols people wore or what statues were out in front of government buildings. It means that if someone wants to wear a turbin to work (and it meets the safety/dress standards) then the employer can't say "no" due to personal beliefs. It means that people can display whatever they want (without intent to incite violence). Nowhere does it state that certain things should not be displayed.

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    By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

    Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

    Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

    and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

    Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789

    HMFIC- George Washington.
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