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    Janay Rice Believes Brutal Elevator Beating Was God’s Plan

    But you don't HAVE to accept God's plan! You can tell God to take his "plan," and shove it up his ass because you've got a better one. Christians do it all the time: it's called "prayer."

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    On Friday, Ray Rice was reinstated into the NFL after being suspended in September for knocking out wife Janay Rice in a hotel elevator during an argument. Just three days after Ray won his appeal, Janay gave a tearful interview with Matt Lauer on NBC’s Today Show.

    Accompanied by her mother Candy Palmer, Janay recounted the “horrible nightmare” that occurred during the February attack. Speaking to Lauer, Janay said she believed that she and Ray had been “chosen” to bring domestic violence to the forefront and begin a larger conversation about abuse.

    "I feel like God chose me and Ray for a reason and it was definitely to bring awareness to what people are going through every day. You know it’s not what I am going through every day but you know it’s definitely brought this topic to the forefront…and we are okay with that.”

    As the interview continued, Janay made sure to emphasize that the abuse Ray inflicted upon her was only a one-time event that had never happened before and will never happen again. For the most part, Janay blames the media for blowing the situation out of proportion:

    “That’s been the hardest part, is having so much of your life made public and have it all be negative. That’s the hardest part. Is not having control over anything that has to do with you. It’s a natural thing for a human to want to come out and say, ‘No, no. That’s not me,’ or, ‘No, that’s not true.’ But it’s like a battle that we just can’t win.”

    When Lauer asks Janay if Ray had ever hit her before, she answers:

    “Not at all. Ray knows me. And there’s no way. He knows what he would have to deal with, you know, if this was something,” she says. “You know, I’m not going to sit there in silence and let something happen to me — and God forbid, in front of my child, just like, let it happen? There’s no way.”
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    But you don't HAVE to accept God's plan! You can tell God to take his "plan," and shove it up his ass because you've got a better one. Christians do it all the time: it's called "prayer."
    Let me make a related point, with some assumptions. Let's assume one is a Christian and is not going to tell God to "shove" his plan. Let's also assume that there is a God and he has a plan.

    What always bothers me with people saying "It's God's plan" is this:

    It's quite possible that "God's plan" in this was for her to do something about him knocking her out. Maybe the plan is that she leaves him, starts respecting herself, and get on with her life without him.

    The "It's God's plan", IMO, does not mean that we just accept whatever happens without questioning it because that's what God wanted. It can mean that we are supposed to learn from the bad thing that happened in order to act and make a change.

    Again, not to start another go-nowhere religious debate...that is why I'm making the assumptions based off of someone who is a believer.

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    Interesting stuff in that interview:

    "I feel like God chose me and Ray for a reason
    A question I often pondered...in order to save us from our sins, Jesus had to be betrayed, crucified and risen. For God's plan to work, someone had to betray him and someone had to crucify him. Were Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate fullfilling God's plan in their lives?

    “That’s been the hardest part, is having so much of your life made public and have it all be negative. That’s the hardest part. Is not having control over anything that has to do with you. It’s a natural thing for a human to want to come out and say, ‘No, no. That’s not me,’ or, ‘No, that’s not true.’ But it’s like a battle that we just can’t win.”
    Have to agree with her here...the public and social media frenzy over stuff like this is crazy nowadays...and it does not matter how innocent or guilty a person might be, once a story is out there, it's uncontrollable.

    “Not at all. Ray knows me. And there’s no way. He knows what he would have to deal with, you know, if this was something,” she says. “You know, I’m not going to sit there in silence and let something happen to me — and God forbid, in front of my child, just like, let it happen? There’s no way.”
    In a way...this sounds as if she is blaming victims of domestic abuse for letting it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    A question I often pondered...in order to save us from our sins, Jesus had to be betrayed, crucified and risen. For God's plan to work, someone had to betray him and someone had to crucify him. Were Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate fullfilling God's plan in their lives?
    And right there lies the biggest problem with christianity. If you believe God has a master plan and is all knowing then you must also believe that in many ways your life is pre-ordainded. Based on this logic it seems kind of absurd for christians to judge anyone. Afterall, maybe God's plan is for that person to go to hell. Maybe it was simply God's plan for that person to be a homosexual, to get an abortion, to murder someone, etc.

    There is even an example of this in the Bible.

    Hebrews 12:16-17 Talks about how Esau sought a repentance but it was not accepted

    …16that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. 17For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.

    Why is it that Easu couldn't recieve his birthright even though he sought it with tears? Apparantly, it was god's plan and he couldn't repent.

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    By praying to God, you are voicing disapproval of his plan if it doesn't go in your favor. You are, in fact, telling God that he should drop his plans and use yours.
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    By praying to God, you are voicing disapproval of his plan if it doesn't go in your favor. You are, in fact, telling God that he should drop his plans and use yours.
    Not necessarily. Of course, if a personal tragedy happens, people will generally show "disapproval". Many times, however, it's more of a need for an understanding of that plan.

    Also, I don't see the "plan" as a laid out time table for what is definitely going to happen. I think the "plan" changes depending on certain situations. It's like a football game. There is a start and a finish, but in between there are several factors that vary the situation.

    Of course, the "plan" is also another factor that weighs heavily on the minds of many of us, as it's hard to understand how there can be a being who knows all and sees all yet our lives aren't predetermined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    In a way...this sounds as if she is blaming victims of domestic abuse for letting it happen.
    Maybe it IS the victim's fault. Afterall:

    And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

    ~John 14:13
    If she would have asked the Father, in Jesus' name, for Ray Rice not to beat her; we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. But she failed.
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I think the "plan" changes depending on certain situations. It's like a football game. There is a start and a finish, but in between there are several factors that vary the situation.
    Are you saying that God needs a "Plan B, maybe a "Plan C,", etc, etc? Don't you only need those if you're not omniscient?
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    People are talking about domestic violence. That doesn't mean it will stop, but people are talking. Maybe that is the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mata Leao View Post
    People are talking about domestic violence. That doesn't mean it will stop, but people are talking. Maybe that is the plan.
    You mean getting people to talk about bad shit, when you're the one who planned out the bad shit to happen in the first place?
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
    -Rainmaker, referencing black males

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