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    Harvard and UNC sued over their admission policies

    BOSTON (AP) — Lawsuits filed Monday against Harvard University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill argue that affirmative action policies should be banned at colleges across the nation.

    The federal suits allege Harvard and UNC rely on race-based affirmative action policies that impact admissions of high-achieving white and Asian American students. The Harvard lawsuit also contends that the Ivy League university specifically limits the number of Asian Americans it admits each year.

    The Project on Fair Representation, a Washington D.C.-based legal defense fund, promise Monday's federal court filings will be the first in a series of legal challenges against colleges across the country as it seeks to end affirmative action policies outright.

    "Allowing this issue to be litigated in case after case will only perpetuate the hostilities that proper consideration of race is designed to avoid," the lawsuits state. "Racial preferences are a dangerous tool and may only be used as a last resort. There is now overwhelming evidence that race-neutral alternatives render reliance on racial preferences unnecessary."

    Harvard and UNC did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    The lawsuits suggest "race neutral" policies imposed at some competitive schools — such as giving greater consideration to a prospective student's socio-economic background and boosting financial aid and scholarships — can promote diversity better than affirmative action.

    Elite schools should also stop giving preference to so-called "legacy" students and offering early admission deadlines, both of which tend to hurt low income and minority applicants and favor wealthy and white ones, the lawsuits says.

    The lawsuit against Harvard says the acceptance rate for "legacy" applicants whose family members are alumnus is about 30 percent -- "roughly five times the rate other applicants are admitted." The lawsuit against UNC notes the state's flagship public university has acknowledged in previous court filings that such "race-neutral" policy changes could be more effective than its current race-based affirmative action policies.

    The Project on Fair Representation filed the lawsuits in federal district courts in Boston and Greensboro, North Carolina.

    Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/harvard-unc-su...183827793.html
    Interested to see where this goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Interested to see where this goes...
    I'm pretty sure it will go nowhere.

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    Especially with the current DOJ we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Especially with the current DOJ we have.
    What would the DOJ have to do with this case?

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    From what i have seen of Holder's DOJ, when its black on white crime, or Affirmative action based, its all "good", and they don't seem to be in any hurry to actually do anything against it. White on black crime, or racism though (white against black) and you betcha that they are all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    What would the DOJ have to do with this case?
    The DOJ should be involved because the case sounds like a civil rights issue. It appears that the civil rights of high-achieving white and Asian American students have been violated by the race-based affirmative action policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    From what i have seen of Holder's DOJ, when its black on white crime, or Affirmative action based, its all "good", and they don't seem to be in any hurry to actually do anything against it. White on black crime, or racism though (white against black) and you betcha that they are all over it.
    You seem to automatically take to side against minorities and females on every issue. So you are like Holder in that you appear to have a bias.

    If you can be biased, then why can't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    From what i have seen of Holder's DOJ, when its black on white crime, or Affirmative action based, its all "good", and they don't seem to be in any hurry to actually do anything against it. White on black crime, or racism though (white against black) and you betcha that they are all over it.
    Are you saying the DOJ will get involved in this case to stop it or slow it? What do you expect they will do about it? Not sure what you're point is other than Holder is racist...but, I'm not following what involvement you expect he or DOJ will have in this case.

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    The mission of the DOJ is more law enforcement, and they are the federal level prosecutors.

    That lawsuit against Affirmative Action was filed in a federal civil court, the federal court system isn't part of the DOJ. Federal prosecutors and the FBI fall under the Attorney General, federal judges do not.

    The attorneys representing the sides in this case are those of the universities being sued, and those of the plaintiff, a nonprofit group based in Austin, Texas made up of recently rejected applicants.

    I'm not sure what role the DOJ would have in this either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    The DOJ should be involved because the case sounds like a civil rights issue. It appears that the civil rights of high-achieving white and Asian American students have been violated by the race-based affirmative action policies.
    I guess a federal prosecutor could file suit against a university if they saw a civil rights violation.
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