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    Are ladies nights discriminatory?

    I like Watching the Fox news noon slot "Outnumbered" cause usually its funny as heck to see the 4 gals going against the one guy. But this afternoon's segment where they went over a pair of UNC students, protesting against Ladies night was imo wrong. It seemed to show all 5 of the participants on the show all for it, when they themselves have bantered about discrimination in other aspects of society.

    So why is it many people feel "ladies nights" are legal? Why do they not see it as being discriminatory?
    Would it be considered discrimination, if say i had a Restaurant, or Club, where men got in free but women had to pay?
    If so, why is the opposite not true?
    Or is it like many other aspects of society, where its wrong if its men(or whites) benefiting, but not wrong when its the females (or other minority) benefiting?

    http://weaselzippers.us/197140-unc-s...se-its-sexist/

    http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/bus...legal?page=all

    http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2014/0...nd-should-end/

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5848

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    There are many hypocritical double standards in that arena. For example, a woman can say that she will absolutely not date or be with a man that is under 6' tall. No backlash. However, let a man say that he will absolutely not date or be with a woman that is overweight (let's say over size 10) and WHOA!!!! That man is now the reason so many women have developed eating disorders and that man is contributing to the unhealthy and unachievable body type that the fashion industry perpetuates. Never mind that it is unlikely to be able to grow a few inches.. but losing weight is actually possible (and healthy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    I like Watching the Fox news noon slot "Outnumbered" cause usually its funny as heck to see the 4 gals going against the one guy. But this afternoon's segment where they went over a pair of UNC students, protesting against Ladies night was imo wrong. It seemed to show all 5 of the participants on the show all for it, when they themselves have bantered about discrimination in other aspects of society.

    So why is it many people feel "ladies nights" are legal? Why do they not see it as being discriminatory?
    Would it be considered discrimination, if say i had a Restaurant, or Club, where men got in free but women had to pay?
    If so, why is the opposite not true?
    Or is it like many other aspects of society, where its wrong if its men(or whites) benefiting, but not wrong when its the females (or other minority) benefiting?

    http://weaselzippers.us/197140-unc-s...se-its-sexist/

    http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/bus...legal?page=all

    http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2014/0...nd-should-end/

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5848
    The problem is that, contrary to most people's misconception, not all discrimination is illegal. Forgive me for putting it uber-obviously, but the only discrimination that is illegal is illegal discrimination. Illegal discrimination is defined under many, many different federal, state and municipal statutes and can involve employment opportunity, fair housing, civil rights, voters' rights, and lots of other things to include, on a less cut-and-dried level, access to private businesses.

    Most of these laws only apply to government entities. As individuals, we can, and do, discriminate all we please. In its most general sense, discrimination means simply to distinguish differences among things. We discriminate when we decide what clothes to buy, where to go out to eat, what kind of vehicle to drive, who we associate with, etc.

    I haven't heard it in a while, but it used to be a high compliment to say of someone that they were, "a person of discriminating tastes." That described a person who could discern the nuances among various choices and only opt for the best. None of this discriminating means we're all racists, sexists, ageists, etc. It just means life offers constant choices and we have to discriminate among them.

    Back to illegal discrimination; under most applications of illegal discrimination laws, private businesses aren't wholly exempt, but owners of such establishments have some wiggle room in determining who they will or won't serve. Someone who smells horrible or is belligerent might legally be denied service. A lot depends on if the person refused service is part of a "protected class" and if the owner is consistent in his/her policies. Private businesses are supposed to comply with fair hiring laws, too, but I've never seen a male Hooters waiter.

    Do ladies' nights violate any of the myriad discrimination laws? I don't know. I guess the main thing about them is that they aren't denying anybody access, which is what most illegal discrimination laws address.
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    @garkhal

    Once again you are on the narrative that white males are being discriminated against.

    Is this the best evidence you could find? The two UNC students are protesting on behalf of women.

    I really question your ability to follow a news story beyond the headline. The second link you posted is more relevant to your claim, but that lawsuit was tossed out of court.

    This concept doesn’t go over well with UNC seniors Trevor Dougherty and Rob Sekay. The duo often DJ at local bars and say they think the attraction is “demeaning to female bargoers.”


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    In a free market, the business owner takes the risk of turning off customers, including those men who gladly fork over the cash to get into the (hopefully) female dominated bar. I say the "hurt feelings club" find something else to complain about, starting with the leftist professors who go far beyond their stated curriculum by using their "pulpits" to push their pro-Cuban/Venezuelan/pick your flavor agendas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    @garkhal

    Once again you are on the narrative that white males are being discriminated against.

    Is this the best evidence you could find? The two UNC students are protesting on behalf of women.

    I really question your ability to follow a news story beyond the headline. The second link you posted is more relevant to your claim, but that lawsuit was tossed out of court.

    This concept doesn’t go over well with UNC seniors Trevor Dougherty and Rob Sekay. The duo often DJ at local bars and say they think the attraction is “demeaning to female bargoers.”


    As a white male, I must ask you to quit trying to make me a victim.

    I'm strong and proud, and I don't need you trying to cover me in the blanket of victimhood.
    One case was dismissed. Others (and administrative rulings) have gone the other way.

    Regardless of Garhkel's motivation, there is a point to be made. I do agree however that this is definitely a tempest in a teapot.

    Sort of like removing bibles from Navy Lodges and other such nonsense. Hardly worth the effort being expended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    As a white male, I must ask you to quit trying to make me a victim.

    I'm strong and proud, and I don't need you trying to cover me in the blanket of victimhood.
    You are "proud"? Really? Why are you "proud"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDER56 View Post

    Back to illegal discrimination; under most applications of illegal discrimination laws, private businesses aren't wholly exempt, but owners of such establishments have some wiggle room in determining who they will or won't serve. Someone who smells horrible or is belligerent might legally be denied service. A lot depends on if the person reused service is part of a "protected class" and if the owner is consistent in his/her policies. Private businesses are supposed to comply with fair hiring laws, too, but I've never seen a male Hooters waiter.

    Do ladies' nights violate any of the myriad discrimination laws? I don't know. I guess the main thing about them is that they aren't denying anybody access, which is what most illegal discrimination laws address.
    During my search for sites on this subject, one that asked whether they are legal or not, did mention that in some states they ARE considered illegal, based on the fact that bars and night clubs are heavily regulated by the state (liquor licenses etc). So there is that.
    And where i see some complaining about them, is the "Unequal access" aspect. I have never heard of a man's night where men get in free or have free or discounted drinks.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJMAC77SP View Post
    One case was dismissed. Others (and administrative rulings) have gone the other way.

    Regardless of Garhkel's motivation, there is a point to be made. I do agree however that this is definitely a tempest in a teapot.
    Thanks for the back up TJMAC.. Part of why I bring this up, is how i see more and more instances in society/the law, where it seems its OK to discriminate against men. Such as with all the fitness centers out there which are women only (when for many years men only ones were getting sued like crazy). Or how some breast cancer research orgs only seem to deal with women's breast cancer, and don't care about men who get it.
    It seems to me like a double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    @garkhal

    Once again you are on the narrative that white males are being discriminated against.

    Is this the best evidence you could find? The two UNC students are protesting on behalf of women.
    Are you saying that white males are not the victims of discrimination?
    How about affirmative action? Affirmative action is good evidence of discrimination against white males.

    Affirmative action is a euphemism for discrimination against whites, especially white males.



    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    As a white male, I must ask you to quit trying to make me a victim.

    I'm strong and proud, and I don't need you trying to cover me in the blanket of victimhood.
    So are you saying that garkhal should not (shall not?) even discuss this issue simply because you disagree with his point? Do you speak for all white males? You are not the moderator of this forum and it is not your place in life to tell us what we can and can not discuss. If this discussion is of no interest to you, then you are free to leave.
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    Ladies nights are not discrimination. They are, in fact, a way to make things "easier" for men. I promise you that it's not a female who created ladies night.

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