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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    You're right, I don't know that, anymore than you know that if it is or isn't.

    So do you think that a cake shop owner who is anti-gun should be forced to decorate a cake with guns all over it? Or what if I walk into a cake shop with a black owner and ask for a cake decorated with KKK members on it? Should they have to serve me? I really hope the answer to both of those is "NO!"
    In the case of guns, yes. In the case of KKK, no. Again, we're talking about business that with whole families - including children - as customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Again, they didn't refuse to serve the couple. They just weren't willing to make the product a certain way. So I don't see any discrimination. ABC doesn't have TV shows I enjoy watching. I don't keep the channel on ABC. I change it to a channel that is able to serve me the programming I like. Does that mean that ABC is discriminating against me? Should they air shows to appease everyone, or should they air show that appeal to a vast majority of their audience?

    As far as the ban on prayer, I can see it (inside the building). Public displays of things like that are apt to cause civil discourse. It's much easier to avoid arguments in a place like that by not allowing it to happen.
    The article I read on the cake matter said that the store owner was happy to make anything that the couple wanted except a wedding cake. Any kind of wedding cake for a gay wedding was against his beliefs. I did not read anything about toppers at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    You're right, I don't know that, anymore than you know that if it is or isn't.

    So do you think that a cake shop owner who is anti-gun should be forced to decorate a cake with guns all over it? Or what if I walk into a cake shop with a black owner and ask for a cake decorated with KKK members on it? Should they have to serve me? I really hope the answer to both of those is "NO!"
    If I own a cake store and Im anti-gun, then Im not going to carry gun decorations for my cakes. I certainly wont carry decorations of KKK members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    In the case of guns, yes. In the case of KKK, no. Again, we're talking about business that with whole families - including children - as customers.
    Glad we get to pick and choose who's morals we get to follow as far as discriminating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF-Controller View Post

    If I own a cake store and Im anti-gun, then Im not going to carry gun decorations for my cakes. I certainly wont carry decorations of KKK members.
    But you have the ability to decorate it with icing, if asked to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    But you have the ability to decorate it with icing, if asked to do so.
    In theory, yes. I honestly don't know how I would respond if asked. I do not think my personal beliefs trump the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF-Controller View Post
    In theory, yes. I honestly don't know how I would respond if asked. I do not think my personal beliefs trump the law
    Personal freedom and choice is the law...look at what the SCOTUS had to say about Hobby Lobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones' signature box View Post
    "We're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people." ~Paul Ryan
    "We're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."
    ~Paul Ryan

    Paul Ryan did make this statement, but if you watch the longer video clip you can tell it was a slip of the tongue. The sentence right before this quote he claims certain policies are destroying the healthcare system and he wants to stop those. Then this sentence just appears to be accidentally missing a few words, something along the lines of "We're not going to give up on [stopping what we believe is] destroying the health care system..."

    http://quotefail.com/quote/paul-ryan...troying-health

    Rusty is trying to mislead us (again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    No, you're forgetting that you DO. Right/left, conservative/liberal, are binary concepts; despite what Libertarians have to say.
    LOL, this is where I know I can't talk to you anymore. You are so close minded that its pretty pointless trying and wasting time. There are many aspects of the political spectrum, not just two. Good luck with rainmaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    In the case of guns, yes. In the case of KKK, no. Again, we're talking about business that with whole families - including children - as customers.
    There aren't families with their kids in the KKK?
    Progressivism; such great ideas, they need to force you to follow them.

    Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

    Economic Left/Right: 7.38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    No, you're forgetting that you DO. Right/left, conservative/liberal, are binary concepts; despite what Libertarians have to say.
    You may want to review the Nolan chart.

    Check this link for the Nolan chart:
    http://humanknowledge.net/PoliticalSpace.jpg
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