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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    You are completely right, and I started off my post with backing the Mall owner. The issue I had was wondering if the hypocricy of the left would come to play. And from one poster, it has.
    Let's be honest...we both know that the "Left" doesn't have an issue with civil rights, inclusion, PC, etc. The only issue they have, just as the right does, is with what will get them the most votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Since you want to talk about Al Sharpton, here's something else for you to add to your bag of tricks, something that you'd be all for that the "reverend" would also be happy to support: http://www.charismanews.com/us/44903...ayer-over-meal
    LOL, I love how he ended it with conjecture and hypothetical hyperbole. One, you dont need to pray out loud to be seen bowing your head. Two, since it doesnt have to be outloud, you dont know who they are praying to. Three, one form of Christianity is not always lovey dovey towards another, not even in the protestant world. Four, they arent checking to see if your history suggests your are only praying for a discount, so anyone can lie and fake pray. Five, giving a discount to people isnt a tax on others. If that was true, then every tax credit and rebate is a tax on others and the poor impose more on the wealthy through earned income tax and daycare and spitting out a ton of kids. Just hilarious is all. But anyways, back to the origional thread, as much as you want to high-jack this one into your own bashing of conservatives thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Is that like how Obama always blames Bush?
    He doesn't. Yet another item from the conservative bag of tricks: take what you perceive to be the mindset of Obama supporters, and put it on Obama himself. Kind of like Obama "playing the race card," when he's never accused any particular white politician or group of politicians of being racist. Again, you take what you perceive Obama supporters to be doing, and you put it on Obama himself. You might be able to fool yourself, but you're not fooling me.

    Or the left bringing out Sarah Palin when bashing "stupid" conservatives?
    Or Bachmann, or Limbaugh, or Cruz, or Santorum, or Bush Jr, or Quayle, or Beck... would you like me to continue?

    I am pretty sure I mentioned a few people. Got the learders of the party, and the biggest mouth piece. But hey, cherry pick if you want. You still didnt answer my questions, just trying to high jack the thread from the issue.
    Why not? All you want to talk about is "the hypocrisy of the left," and if you're gonna do that... then you'd best be ready to defend the right.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    You are completely right, and I started off my post with backing the Mall owner. The issue I had was wondering if the hypocricy of the left would come to play. And from one poster, it has.
    Nope, because those "examples" you tried to give were non-examples. Try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    LOL, I love how he ended it with conjecture and hypothetical hyperbole.
    Al Sharpton is a religious leader, is he not? Or is the REAL problem your inability to admit that you have something in common with him?

    One, you dont need to pray out loud to be seen bowing your head. Two, since it doesnt have to be outloud, you dont know who they are praying to. Three, one form of Christianity is not always lovey dovey towards another, not even in the protestant world. Four, they arent checking to see if your history suggests your are only praying for a discount, so anyone can lie and fake pray. Five, giving a discount to people isnt a tax on others. If that was true, then every tax credit and rebate is a tax on others and the poor impose more on the wealthy through earned income tax and daycare and spitting out a ton of kids. Just hilarious is all. But anyways, back to the origional thread, as much as you want to high-jack this one into your own bashing of conservatives thread.
    Again, you want to talk about the left; be ready to defend the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    Why not? All you want to talk about is "the hypocrisy of the left," and if you're gonna do that... then you'd best be ready to defend the right.
    Maybe you forget that I dont support "the right".

    Al Sharpton is a religious leader, is he not? Or is the REAL problem your inability to admit that you have something in common with him?
    I am lost cause you are referring to Al with a link to an article written by Jennifer LeClaire. Funny how you really want to call him a "religious leader" though. And I am not sure what you mean I have something in common with Al? Does Al call for private businesses to be able to exclude whom ever they want from their place of establishment?

    Again, you want to talk about the left; be ready to defend the right.
    You aren't saying anything to defend the actions, or inactions, of these ladies being discriminated against. All you are doing is trying to blast me for bringing up Democratic leaders. I can go to Boxerman, Gutierez, Washerman-Schultz, Juan Williams, Ed Schultz, Olbermann, Madow... well, shoot, all of MSNBC. But from what you are responding to, what do you think I should have to defend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
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    So these ladies were told they cant have a prayer before they did their daily workout at a privately owen mall. I stand with private businesses to have policies against whatever they deem to have with no provocation to those reasons. Its their business, their property, they can do as they please as long as it doesnt harm someone physically. But I am wondering who believes this banning of prayer is as big of a deal as the baker that didnt want to make a cake for a same sex marriage? Shouldnt Al be organizing a march on the mall? Should Pelosi or Obama weigh in on how a person of faith is being discriminated against? Shouldnt Reid be passing a bill in senate to keep malls from forbidding prayer?
    This is not the same as homosexual discrimination. The mall is banning an action and not a state of being. If the mall were to say "No Christians allowed" then it would be on par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF-Controller View Post
    This is not the same as homosexual discrimination. The mall is banning an action and not a state of being. If the mall were to say "No Christians allowed" then it would be on par.
    The cake shop people didn't ban gays. They just didn't want to put stuff on the cakes. I'd have no problem if a cake shop owner refused to make a cake with a Jesus figure on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Maybe you forget that I dont support "the right".
    No, you're forgetting that you DO. Right/left, conservative/liberal, are binary concepts; despite what Libertarians have to say.

    I am lost cause you are referring to Al with a link to an article written by Jennifer LeClaire.
    Why? Surely, Al would be all for restaurant owners giving incentives for praying, given his primary occupation, correct? Why is the author relevant? It's not like I'm using LeClaire as a credible source to back up a statement; I'm just bringing up an article that she wrote, and discussin what Al Sharpton would or wouldn't do here.

    Funny how you really want to call him a "religious leader" though.
    Is he not? Is he not a Baptist minister, originally ordained as a Pentecostal minister?

    And I am not sure what you mean I have something in common with Al?
    That you'd both be all for incentives for praying. How could a Christian, least of all a reverend, NOT be?

    Does Al call for private businesses to be able to exclude whom ever they want from their place of establishment?
    Does he need to do that in order to have something in common with YOU?

    You aren't saying anything to defend the actions, or inactions, of these ladies being discriminated against.
    They're not being discriminated against. They were asked to leave, not because of who they are, but because of what they were DOING.

    All you are doing is trying to blast me for bringing up Democratic leaders. I can go to Boxerman, Gutierez, Washerman-Schultz, Juan Williams, Ed Schultz, Olbermann, Madow... well, shoot, all of MSNBC. But from what you are responding to, what do you think I should have to defend?
    You said that the only idiot conservate we have to pick on is Palin. I was just showing you that there are plenty more that we to pick on. All you did you was just post names of random liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    The cake shop people didn't ban gays. They just didn't want to put stuff on the cakes. I'd have no problem if a cake shop owner refused to make a cake with a Jesus figure on it...
    I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAF-Controller View Post
    I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
    Well, I'm getting at the fact that cake shops didn't ban gays, as you stated. Then I'm getting at that I have no issue with private companies deciding who they will and will not serve. So when it comes to the mall asking the people praying to leave and the cake shop choosing not to serve gays, there is no difference. The cake shop didn't NOT serve the gays because they were gay. They didn't want to serve them because of an "action" (wanting a same sex couple on the cake). No different than the praying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    The cake shop people didn't ban gays. They just didn't want to put stuff on the cakes. I'd have no problem if a cake shop owner refused to make a cake with a Jesus figure on it...
    If the cake shop has Jesus figures in stock, and refuses to put one on your cake, then you have a legitimate gripe.

    This would be like going to Victoria Secret to get something that you want your wife to wear, only to be told that they won't sell it to you because you're a man.
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