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    I' honestly love to see aliens show up, just to see what the response would be from people like this HAM person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Even evolutionist are self centered/selfish and arrogant to believe we have evolved past natures control. We ignore every bit of natural selection and natural constraints.
    I think there is no doubt that humans dominate the planet.

    Well, I did read a very compelling paper once about how the micro-organisms are really in charge here...we are way outnumbered.

    Hell, we believe we control nature itself with global warming.
    Affect, not control.

    We believe that women are equal in every way as men, yet we dont see that in any other mammals on Earth. We believe the weak should thrive and the strong be stiffled.
    There are also some interesting thoughts on how humans are devolving..."survival of the weakest"...i.e. how our least fit (poor, uneducated, weak) tend to have more children than out most fit (educated, strong)

    We believe that children have an equal say in society as the adaults with wisdom and experience have. We dont believe is punishing the children when they disobey their elders. I think we should be finding true sentient life on Earth before we look anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogDog View Post
    His reply was "I don't know, Sparks. But I guess I'd say if it is just us... seems like an awful waste of space."
    That's a good one.

    It becomes exceedingly difficult to believe we are alone in the universe when you start to comprehend how vast this place is.

    People like Ken Ham who make comments like he did are really expressing their fears that they could be wrong. Why would "God" create the Earth and other planets in our Solar System as well as the millions of galaxies and stars but only populate the Earth with "his" children? As I said, it's fear on his part because if there are aliens then that means Earth wasn't "specially created" thereby making mankind not so special.

    Ham also contends if aliens go exist then even Jesus can't save them because only descendents of Adam can be saved. Yet, wouldn't the word of "God" through the teachings of Jesus be just as applicable to aliens since "God" also created them. Again, this is about people like Ham trying to make themselves feel they are "special." It's sad that they have so little self-esteem that they have to create a narrative that puts them above all others, both human and alien.
    Same sort of mindset that insisted the world was flat because of their literal interpretation of the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogDog View Post
    I like the line from the movie Contact when young Ellie asks her father if there are other people on other planets. His reply was "I don't know, Sparks. But I guess I'd say if it is just us... seems like an awful waste of space."
    Great book, good movie.


    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    There are also some interesting thoughts on how humans are devolving..."survival of the weakest"...i.e. how our least fit (poor, uneducated, weak) tend to have more children than out most fit (educated, strong)
    When we brought our daughter back from China and got her into her pediatrician, we asked about allergies for things like peanuts/nuts, milk (lactose), cats & dogs etc. Our doctor told us that the vast majority of kids from underdeveloped countries (not that China is underdeveloped ... but she was born in a very poor / agricultural area) do not have the same allergies / sensitivities you tend to see in U.S. or other 'Western' kids, that people in those cultures generally succumb to those sensitivities etc. because there is not the same level of accommodation that we make here.

    One thing I did see that is similar to how farming families used to have several children to work on the farm is still the methodology in rural China (One Child Policy be damned I guess) and now middle class families here and abroad have migrated to having few (sometimes no) children.
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    That is a good point. The more 'cultured' society seems, the more diseases, allergies, sensitivities and such we seem to have. Maybe if we stopped disinfecting, sanitizing and generally wanting everything so damn germ free, and got back to how we used to, where kids played in the mud etc, people would grow up generating antibodies for this crap.

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    Just rub some dirt on it and get back in the game kid.
    The most important six inches on the battlefield is between your ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalwart View Post
    Just rub some dirt on it and get back in the game kid.
    With how some coaches at schools are these days, that sounds like a comment they would make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    That is a good point. The more 'cultured' society seems, the more diseases, allergies, sensitivities and such we seem to have. Maybe if we stopped disinfecting, sanitizing and generally wanting everything so damn germ free, and got back to how we used to, where kids played in the mud etc, people would grow up generating antibodies for this crap.
    I think the point was, we may have more of those diseases because we have learned to live with them, rather than die from them.

    Yes...200 years there were way less cancers...because the life expectancy was 45 and people died of TB, smallpox or typhoid fever, not cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    I think the point was, we may have more of those diseases because we have learned to live with them, rather than die from them.

    Yes...200 years there were way less cancers...because the life expectancy was 45 and people died of TB, smallpox or typhoid fever, not cancer.
    We have learned to survive those diseases and now battle heart disease due to our diets. Gotta love the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    With how some coaches at schools are these days, that sounds like a comment they would make.
    That's a comment they SHOULD make.

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