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    Border fence. Why such disparity in how much it would cost?

    On one of my right wing sites i go to (great comics), i saw someone post a link to an NBC article that gives the "Average" price of making a border fence at 1 Million dollars a mile. Doing a google search, Forbes quoting a congressional research office report, pegged a 700 mile fence at 49 Billion? And yet another one saying 29 billion..

    So why is it so hard to
    A) come up with a concise cost for a proper secure border fence
    and B) so damn pricy??

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-pin-down?lite

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardf...t-apprehended/

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...er-isnt-pretty

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/us...ions.html?_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    On one of my right wing sites i go to (great comics), i saw someone post a link to an NBC article that gives the "Average" price of making a border fence at 1 Million dollars a mile. Doing a google search, Forbes quoting a congressional research office report, pegged a 700 mile fence at 49 Billion? And yet another one saying 29 billion..

    So why is it so hard to
    A) come up with a concise cost for a proper secure border fence
    and B) so damn pricy??

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-pin-down?lite

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardf...t-apprehended/

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...er-isnt-pretty

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/us...ions.html?_r=0
    I hear ya...if we did it right we'd hire a bunch of illegals to build it for pennies on the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    On one of my right wing sites i go to (great comics), i saw someone post a link to an NBC article that gives the "Average" price of making a border fence at 1 Million dollars a mile. Doing a google search, Forbes quoting a congressional research office report, pegged a 700 mile fence at 49 Billion? And yet another one saying 29 billion..

    So why is it so hard to
    A) come up with a concise cost for a proper secure border fence
    and B) so damn pricy??

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-pin-down?lite

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardf...t-apprehended/

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...er-isnt-pretty

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/us...ions.html?_r=0
    Fences designed to keep people out can eventually be used to keep people in. If we enforced the laws we already have, then we wouldn't need to talk about building fences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    So why is it so hard to
    A) come up with a concise cost for a proper secure border fence
    and B) so damn pricy??
    "A" can probably be answered by uncovering the affiliation / agenda of whoever is answering at the time.

    "B" : well... I looked at putting a fence around my land (9.5 acres). Pretty pricey. The undefended border between USA and Mexico is a tad longer. Materials are secondary to the extreme location and lack of amenities there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I hear ya...if we did it right we'd hire a bunch of illegals to build it for pennies on the dollar.
    Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    "A" can probably be answered by uncovering the affiliation / agenda of whoever is answering at the time.

    "B" : well... I looked at putting a fence around my land (9.5 acres). Pretty pricey. The undefended border between USA and Mexico is a tad longer. Materials are secondary to the extreme location and lack of amenities there.
    Then why not dig a ditch, say 200 meters DEEP and 200 meters wide? That would work just as good imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Then why not dig a ditch, say 200 meters DEEP and 200 meters wide? That would work just as good imo.
    Not really the ethos upon which our country was founded, is it? Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free...but by all means, dig a ditch or build a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Alfredo View Post
    Not really the ethos upon which our country was founded, is it? Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free...but by all means, dig a ditch or build a wall.
    Actually, that ethos changed awhile back. It became "Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to live for free..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Actually, that ethos changed awhile back. It became "Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to live for free..."
    I don't know...some of the hardest-working people I see are immigrants. They do a lot of the work "regular" Americans don't want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Actually, that ethos changed awhile back. It became "Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to live for free..."
    Actually, the line being reworked in this conversation had nothing to do with the ethos that founded our nation.

    Do we want to talk about European greed, sending colonists over to acquire resources and wealth? Do we want to talk about people fleeing from religuous oppression (sometimes to become oppresive themselves)? Do we want to talk about indentured servitude and slavery as alternatives to open immigration? Do we want to talk about the push for traditional liberalism versus bent knee obedience?

    The call for immigrants is a poem written as a fund raiser. It does not represent anything about why people origianlly came to America, about why the colonies rebelled, or about the goals of founding our nation. It addresses a romantic notion of the opportunity our nation represented, and the hopes of those who were choosing to immigrate.

    Just as a frame of reference.
    Back from the bit bucket. Somebody flushed the buffers on me, though . . ..

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