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    Perry discusses view of Homosexuality

    Okay, so the headlines blared, "Perry Compares Homosexuality to Alcoholism"

    The intent, apparently, was to enrage those at his "ignorance" in, perhaps, calling homosexuality a disearse or "something wrong" as alcoholism...blah blah blach.

    Ref: http://news.msn.com/us/perry-discuss...ocid=ansnews11

    First, I never get the outrage over comparing two things. Comparing is not equating...and yes, you really can compare (and contrast) apples and oranges. Both are of similar size and shape, both are fruits, etc. Likewise you can compare sexual orientation to race, homosexuality to pedophilia, same-sex marriage to polygame and war to sports...it doesn't mean they are the same, or on the same level.

    Okay, so Perry compares homosexuality to alcoholism, here is what he actually said,

    "whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that. I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

    Now, I suppose a staunch conservative trying to criticize Perry, might write a headline like, "Perry states homosexuality may have a genetic coding, i.e. you are born homosexual." An obvious no-no amongst the conservative christian demo.

    So...still not the point. Is he wrong? NO. Of course someone can have the predisposition to alchoholism, but choose not to drink. Likewise, someone could have the predisposition to homosexuality, but choose to remain celibate.

    In fact, I have a friend who is a staunch Catholic, and also a non-practicing homosexual...or at least "suffers" from same-sex attrraction, as he puts it. He posts about it on facebook regularly with articles and links. I think he views it much the same way as Perry...this is for whatever reason a temptation that he has...call it a blessing or curse or what-have-you. But, he deals with.

    I can't remember if it was him or someone else who said, "The opposite of homosexual is not heterosexual...it is abstinence." Which is kind of a neat way of looking at it...and probably mentally healthier than try to be "cured" into heterosexuality. That is, if you are believing in such a way that homosexuality is a sin, and you have this temptation, the spiritual treatment is not going to make you heterosexual, but can teach you to deal with your temptation and live according to your beliefs.

    I yield the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Okay, so the headlines blared, "Perry Compares Homosexuality to Alcoholism"

    The intent, apparently, was to enrage those at his "ignorance" in, perhaps, calling homosexuality a disearse or "something wrong" as alcoholism...blah blah blach.

    Ref: http://news.msn.com/us/perry-discuss...ocid=ansnews11

    First, I never get the outrage over comparing two things. Comparing is not equating...and yes, you really can compare (and contrast) apples and oranges. Bother are of similar size and shape, both are fruits, etc. Likewise you can compare sexual orientation to race, homosexuality to pedophilia, same-sex marriage to polygame and war to sports...it doesn't mean they are the same, or on the same level.

    Okay, so Perry compares homosexuality to alcoholism, here is what he actually said,

    "whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that. I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

    Now, I suppose a staunch conservative trying to criticize Perry, might write a headline like, "Perry states homosexuality may have a genetic coding, i.e. you are born homosexual." An obvious no-no amongst the conservative christian demo.

    So...still not the point. Is he wrong? NO. Of course someone can have the predisposition to alchoholism, but choose not to drink. Likewise, someone could have the predisposition to homosexuality, but choose to remain celibate.

    In fact, I have a friend who is a staunch Catholic, and also a non-practicing homosexual...or at least "suffers" from same-sex attrraction, as he puts it. He posts about it on facebook regularly with articles and links. I think he views it much the same way as Perry...this is for whatever reason a temptation that he has...call it a blessing or curse or what-have-you. But, he deals with.

    I can't remember if it was him or someone else who said, "The opposite of homosexual is not heterosexual...it is abstinence." Which is kind of a neat way of looking at it...and probably mentally healthier than try to be "cured" into heterosexuality. That is, if you are believing in such a way that homosexuality is a sin, and you have this temptation, the spiritual treatment is not going to make you heterosexual, but can teach you to deal with your temptation and live according to your beliefs.

    I yield the floor.
    It's a really interesting point/question you raise. I've heard it discussed several times and, unfortunately, it always turns into a political/religious argument.

    I agree with what he says that we all have choices to what we do.

    Science says that men are predisposed through nature to seek several mates. Only through choice do we decide whether to be monogomous or not. The same can be said about anything we've determined to be "instinct" or "genetics" or "predisposition".

    The argument then comes down to what the individual believes is right or wrong. Hopefully, no matter which side of things they fall on, they choose what they feel is the right thing.

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    So... he's asking homosexuals to not engage in gay sex? And I should see this as honorable... why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    So... he's asking homosexuals to not engage in gay sex? And I should see this as honorable... why?
    He's making a point that engaging in sex is always a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    He's making a point that engaging in sex is always a choice.
    He singled out gay sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    So... he's asking homosexuals to not engage in gay sex? And I should see this as honorable... why?
    I don't think he's asking anyone to do anything...at least not in this quote.

    I suppose it can be taken to imply that participating in homosexual behavior is damaging, much like participating in alcohilism...but, I think the recognition that the inclination, predisposition, or what have is "just something people have" is significant.

    The Chrisition Conservative platform is typically, more like, "Everyone is born straight, but some people choose to be gay because they are just perverted, they've poisoned their minds through choices they've made" or whatever.

    I also like the implication that "choosing not to be gay" does not mean one will be heterosexual, but rather not participate in gay sex. Maybe I read too much into that, but I think you can draw it out of what he said...like an alcohilic can choose to abstain, but can't choose to be a social drinker. A homosexual can choose to abstain, but can't choose to be heterosexual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    He singled out gay sex.
    Indeed he did. He also singled out alcoholism. I don't take that to mean that he thinks alcoholics are less of a person than anyone else.

    Whether you agree with it or not, there are many people out there with these opinions. You know the good thing? If he didn't publicly say stuff like this the people who disagree with his opinions might screw up and vote for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    I don't think he's asking anyone to do anything...at least not in this quote.

    I suppose it can be taken to imply that participating in homosexual behavior is damaging, much like participating in alcohilism...but, I think the recognition that the inclination, predisposition, or what have is "just something people have" is significant.

    The Chrisition Conservative platform is typically, more like, "Everyone is born straight, but some people choose to be gay because they are just perverted, they've poisoned their minds through choices they've made" or whatever.
    And I'm interested to see how these comments will be used by other Republicans in the primaries to show how "liberal" he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    And I'm interested to see how these comments will be used by other Republicans in the primaries to show how "liberal" he is.
    Right...that was point with the alternate headline that could have bene written. Is Santorum running again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Indeed he did. He also singled out alcoholism. I don't take that to mean that he thinks alcoholics are less of a person than anyone else.
    Alcoholism wasn't the point of his message. Homosexuality was. Nice try.

    Whether you agree with it or not, there are many people out there with these opinions. You know the good thing? If he didn't publicly say stuff like this the people who disagree with his opinions might screw up and vote for him.
    Saying fucked up things in ways that allow for plausible deniability. A skill that Republicans have, that no one else buys.
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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