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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how many of you are lapdogs for the rich.

    Trying to find any posts that would lead you to this conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how many of you are lapdogs for the rich.
    Define "rich." I simply want would-be entrepreneurs to have the incentive to invent, start a business, grow a business and stay in business. To me, the best way to do that is to minimize the taxing (especially capital gains) and non-safety related regulations. Promote MORE growth and competition (products, services and talent). This will lead to more choices, higher quality, lower prices, and yes...MORE employment. Why is this so fricken hard for liberals to understand?

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    Just my opinion, but the Conservatives hate the poor and love the rich, the Liberals hate the rich and love the poor, and in the meantime, nobody gives a shit about the middle class. The middle class is, and has been for a long time, the driving force for the U.S. economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS, USAF (ret) View Post
    Companies will figure out how to make up for the increased personnel costs. Options include reduced hours, reduced labor or higher prices. If I was a small business owner, then I would spend the 7 year transition period looking for ways to relocate outside of city limits. Add in the health care mandate, and I would also limit my business growth to stay under the employee # threshold for having to provide healthcare.
    I would be embarrassed to ever pay anyone less than $15 an hour. Why? Because I know from personal experience that is shit pay.

    Aren't progressive policies wonderful for America?
    Look at the bright side - at the very least we can implement progressive policies today without corporations deploying Pinkertons and the National Guard to shoot their own workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Just my opinion, but the Conservatives hate the poor and love the rich, the Liberals hate the rich and love the poor,
    I don't think that's a fair statement. While some - maybe even a majority - of Republican leaders hate the poor - I don't think every single one does. Also - there is a minority of extremists who have been working to marginalize any mainstream viewpoint. Look at Romney - he has historically been center-right, but he shifted WAAAAAY to the right in the election - he had to sound like a complete nut just to get nominated by the angry old white guys who have a stranglehold on the party.

    And Democrats don't hate the rich - Obama is just as much in the pocket of Wall Street as any Republican - that is a fact that is ignored both by the right and left media. Fox News wants to paint Obama as a Muslim atheist socialist who is going to steal grandma's pension and give it to lazy black people. MSNBC wants to paint Obama as a Christ figure who is going to make everything just dandy for the average American.

    and in the meantime, nobody gives a shit about the middle class. The middle class is, and has been for a long time, the driving force for the U.S. economy.
    Agreed -and it shrinks every generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoDude View Post

    I don't think that's a fair statement. While some - maybe even a majority - of Republican leaders hate the poor - I don't think every single one does. Also - there is a minority of extremists who have been working to marginalize any mainstream viewpoint. Look at Romney - he has historically been center-right, but he shifted WAAAAAY to the right in the election - he had to sound like a complete nut just to get nominated by the angry old white guys who have a stranglehold on the party.

    And Democrats don't hate the rich - Obama is just as much in the pocket of Wall Street as any Republican - that is a fact that is ignored both by the right and left media. Fox News wants to paint Obama as a Muslim atheist socialist who is going to steal grandma's pension and give it to lazy black people. MSNBC wants to paint Obama as a Christ figure who is going to make everything just dandy for the average American.



    Agreed -and it shrinks every generation.
    I'm generalizing, of course, based on the stereotype. I think the average person believes that it's "Us vs. them" the majority of the time. That's due to several things. Lack of education, News Media Entertainment channels, etc. Hell, look at the discussions we have on here. Rarely anything brought up about the middle class. I'm not talking about the middle class we hear about (up to $200k)...I'm taking about the real middle class...$25k -$75k a year...Unfortunately it "up and out" or "down and out".

    We always talk about "values" on this forum, and base it off of political or religious biases. I think the "traditional" values of the U.S. have nothing to do with either of those and more to do with how the middle class had to live to maintain that status.

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    Ever seen those touch screen order boards at McDonald's in Germany? No need to employ as many minimum wage counter folks...order your own/swipe your own credit card.

    Can't wait to visit Seattle and enjoy a $9.00 BigMac meal and a $7.00 Latte at Starbucks...

    I must be rich to afford those prices!!
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    On another site where this is being discussed one person brought up a good point. How will this hike affect those who work at LESS than min wage cause of tips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    On another site where this is being discussed one person brought up a good point. How will this hike affect those who work at LESS than min wage cause of tips?
    I remember hearing of a study, I forget where...I think it was Oregon. The study revealed that the true take home of food service workers (waiters/waitresses) was well over $15 an hour, I think it was $22 an hour. When the proposal was to mandate min wage (and eliminate tipping) the proposal quickly died.
    And "I'm sure" that all those employees declare all their tips to the IRS...
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    The question I have is what about the rest of the folks? Lets say you are a college grad, making 15-20 an hour now as it is. How much will this devalue his degree, when an unskilled "min wage" earner is earning just as much. Will the rest of wages increase along the same scale? We have a guy making 9.00 an hour now and see a 6.00 an hour increase. Will everyone get that same 50% plus increase in pay? Right now I make 38 bucks an hour can I get a 17.00 an hour bump? Aside from increasing prices to offset the rise in wages, I have to wonder how everyone else will feel after spending thousands on advanced education only to be nulfied by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt HULK View Post
    The question I have is what about the rest of the folks? Lets say you are a college grad, making 15-20 an hour now as it is. How much will this devalue his degree, when an unskilled "min wage" earner is earning just as much. Will the rest of wages increase along the same scale? We have a guy making 9.00 an hour now and see a 6.00 an hour increase. Will everyone get that same 50% plus increase in pay? Right now I make 38 bucks an hour can I get a 17.00 an hour bump? Aside from increasing prices to offset the rise in wages, I have to wonder how everyone else will feel after spending thousands on advanced education only to be nulfied by this.
    It will definitely blur the lines between lower and middle class. If everyone working is middle class then that essentially expands the gap between lower and middle class, making the poor even poorer. It does, however, increase the size of the middle class. If both parents (assuming there is a two adult household) both work minimum wage jobs, they are making $30 an hour. That's a pretty sweet deal.

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