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    Cliven Bundy

    So, this guy has turned out to be quite a character, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    So, this guy has turned out to be quite a character, huh?
    I only saw a very small quote on what he said. He came nowhere close to getting across his main point. What I think he was trying to say is that black people used to be slaves on the white man's farm. They depended on the man to provide for them. Now they are free but instead of depending on the man they depend on the government. It's an interesting point but I'm positive that a white redneck farmer probably isn't the best person to deliver that message.

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    Here is a short post one of my Black friends posted on this subject (or at least I think it relates). I think what Clive was trying to say and what many have tried to say is a message that needs to heard. The problem is that by making it about race the mesage gets lost. Read the quote below but where it says "black" instead just imagine "poor". The mordern day person is a slave to the government and always will be.



    This article was read on a New York radio station having been written by a Caucasian male. I know it might not apply to you but it makes you think a little bit and is very hard to swallow, but, to some extent this man is right. Please read his write up to the end.
    "We can continue to reap profits from the Blacks without the effort of physical slavery. Look at the current methods of containment that they use on themselves: IGNORANCE, GREED, and SELFISHNESS.

    Their IGNORANCE is the primary weapon of containment. A great man once said, "The best way to hide something from Black people is to put it in a book." We live now in the Information Age. They have gained the opportunity to read any book on any subject through the efforts of their fight for freedom, yet they refuse to read. There are numerous books readily available at Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon.com, not to mention their own Black Bookstores that provide solid blueprints to reach economic equality (which should have been their fight all along), but few read consistently, if at all.

    GREED is another powerful weapon of containment.
    Blacks, since the abolition of slavery, have had large amounts of money at their disposal. Last year they spent 10 billion dollars during Christmas, out of their 450 billion dollars in total yearly income (2.22%). Any of us can use them as our target market, for any business venture we care to dream up, no matter how outlandish, they will buy into it. Being primarily a consumer people, they function totally by greed. They continually want more, with little thought for saving or investing. They would rather buy some new sneaker than invest in starting a business. Sometimes even neglect their children to have the latest Tom Ford or Polo. And they still think that having a Mercedes, and a big house gives the "Status" or that they have achieved the American Dream. They are fools! The vast majority of their people are still in poverty because their greed holds them back from collectively making better communities. With the help of BET, and the rest of their Black media that often broadcasts destructive images into their own homes, we will continue to see huge profits like those of Tom Ford and Nike. (Tommy Hilfiger and Eddie Bauer along with Ralph Lauren has even jeered them, saying they don't want their money, and look at how the fools spend more with them than ever before!). They'll continue to show off to each other while we build solid communities with the profits from our businesses that we market to them.

    SELFISHNESS, ingrained in their minds through slavery, is one of the major ways we can continue to contain them. One of their own, W. E. B. Dubois said that there was an innate division in their culture. A "Talented Tenth" he called it. He was correct in his deduction that there are segments of their culture that has achieved some "form" of success. However, that segment missed the fullness of his work. They didn't read that the "Talented Tenth" was then responsible to aid the Non-Talented Ninety Percent in achieving a better life. Instead, that segment has created another class, a Buppie(wanting to fit in rather than see the truth for what it is) class that looks down on their people or aids them in a condescending manner. They will never achieve what we have. Their selfishness does not allow them to be able to work together on any project or endeavor of substance. When they do get together, their selfishness lets their egos get in the way of the goal. Their so-called help organizations seem to only want to promote their name without making any real change in their community. They are content to sit in conferences and conventions in our hotels, and talk about what they will do, while they award plaques to the best speakers, not the best doers. Is there no end to their selfishness?

    They steadfastly refuse to see that "TOGETHER EACH ACHIEVES MORE (TEAM)! They do not understand that they are no better than each other because of what they own. In fact, most of those Buppies are but one or two paychecks away from poverty. All of which is under the control of our pens in our offices and our boardrooms.

    Yes, we will continue to contain them as long as they refuse to read, continue to buy anything they want, and keep thinking they are "helping" their communities by paying dues to organizations which do little other than hold lavish conventions in our hotels. By the way, don't worry about any of them reading this letter, remember, 'THEY DON'T READ!!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    Here is a short post one of my Black friends posted on this subject (or at least I think it relates). I think what Clive was trying to say and what many have tried to say is a message that needs to heard. The problem is that by making it about race the mesage gets lost. Read the quote below but where it says "black" instead just imagine "poor". The mordern day person is a slave to the government and always will be.
    It's definitely an interesting bit of speculation, albeit maybe a tad defeatist for my tastes. I do think many of what we might label as "failings" in the "black community" are essentially the results of a dog chasing its own tail*

    *This is not a comparison of a person who belongs to a certain race to a household pet, if this is what anyone felt was being inferred.
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    The Cliven Bundy case is a great example of why I hate the sound-byte intensive media.
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/uned..._uHVF0.twitter
    http://theblacksphere.net/2014/4/bla...undy-no-racist
    Not even voicing necessarily a specific agreement, but I think his motives are a little less clear when we add some context.
    "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Cliven Bundy

    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    So, this guy has turned out to be quite a character, huh?
    Straight out of the Chosen News Network Playbook...

    "Breaking NEWS!!!! An old cattle Rancher in the Nevada Desert actually used the actual word Negro!!!!! Oh my GOD!!!! He might even actually hate Peoples of COLOR!!!!"
    Never mind Cliven Bundy's claims that his grazing rights proceeded the BLM and whether or not he can be forced into a contract by the Federal Government that removes all those rights.
    Let's not ask any questions like why did the Feds send an army of agents out into the desert to steal a couple of cows?

    Or don't ask about Harry Reed and the Chinese solar deal.

    Now he'll morph into George Zimmerman or Timothy McVeigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Straight out of the Chosen News Network Playbook...
    Good grief.

    "Breaking NEWS!!!! An old cattle Rancher in the Nevada Desert actually used the actual word Negro!!!!! Oh my GOD!!!! He might even actually hate Peoples of COLOR!!!!"

    Never mind Cliven Bundy's claims that his grazing rights proceeded the BLM and whether or not he can be forced into a contract by the Federal Government that removes all those rights.
    Let's not ask any questions like why did the Feds send an army of agents out into the desert to steal a couple of cows?[/quote]

    Plenty have had that discussion and asked those questions, but that's not what this thread is about. Separate and very interesting discussion.

    Or don't ask about Harry Reed and the Chinese solar deal.
    Separate discussion...so, in order to discuss Bundy's comments we have to first discuss every Democratic congressmen's actions? What a load of crap..."Don't talk about this because there are other things"

    Now he'll morph into George Zimmerman or Timothy McVeigh.
    Mainstream media, blah blah blah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Separate discussion...so, in order to discuss Bundy's comments we have to first discuss every Democratic congressmen's actions? What a load of crap..."Don't talk about this because there are other things"
    If such is your interest, what is your position on my previous comments about Bundy's comments?
    "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    Here is a short post one of my Black friends posted on this subject (or at least I think it relates). I think what Clive was trying to say and what many have tried to say is a message that needs to heard. The problem is that by making it about race the mesage gets lost. Read the quote below but where it says "black" instead just imagine "poor".
    So, your point here is that if you replace the word Black with Poor, this article of generalizations, gross exaggerations, and character assassinations would not be a racist?

    I suppose one could say that.

    If someone says, "I hate all Jews" they are anti-semitic. If they say, "I hate all vegetables" They are not.

    The mordern day person is a slave to the government and always will be.
    When the govt. starts beating us, making work in the field, selling off our children to others...they we can talk about this. Until then, it's nonsense.

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    Slow news day.

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