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    Colleges may get new rules.

    Lets get a serious discussion about this. What is the difference between Public, Private, and for-profit schools?

    This article I read today about how Obama is trying to pass regulations on all colleges, which supposedly will harm "for-profit" schools more than the other two (FNC spin). http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...cmp=latestnews

    http://www.campuscorner.com/articles...e-colleges.htm
    I read an article that explained the differences but the discription of "for-profit" schools doesnt make sense with the article from Fox news reports from the US Education Department, headed by Education Secretary Arne Duncan, could review, "72 percent of for-profit colleges produce graduates who earn less than high school dropouts." How can that be possible if most of these colleges are trade schools, taught by people with experience in the trade the students are going for like electrician, plumbing, construction, etc? Other than the stigma of going to a trade school like ITT or Devri, what accounts for the lack of pay these graduates get?

    This article seems vague and seems like it is missing some numbers, like when it talks about "22 percent of for-profit student borrowers defaulted on their loans within three years. At public colleges, that number is 13 percent of borrowers." Where is the private school numbers? Since on average, the private schools are the most expensive of the three. And the other part that I seem to be missing is what type of degrees account for the majority of the defaults? Web design I think is offered at these places, but this field is like being a painter, not everyone is going to be hired for your artistic ability.

    Do these numbers and the article make sense and require this kind of bill to be passed when the biggest reason for high tuition is the government backed loans giving colleges a reason to increase tuition? The government will get their money from these students two fold. We know college graduates tend to make more, so they will be taxed more. And the government will collect on the debt by garnishing their wages and tax refunds if they get any.

    So, let get this discussion started.
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    Re: Colleges may get new rules.

    If I had my way, they'd all be "For Profit" or "Private"!
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    Re: Colleges may get new rules.

    Obama is right, and this has been an issue LONG before he took office.

    For-profit schools like DeVry, University of Phoenix, Strayer, Capella, Kaplan - just to name a few. Worthless shit schools where, if an employer sees any of them on your resume... your resume just earned a trip to the trash can.

    For-profit schools treat students like CUSTOMERS, and not STUDENTS. Fail a class or didn't get the grade you want? Argue with a "counselor" and threaten to leave, and they'll cave. They don't want to lose a "customer," afterall.

    So why should the government be backing loans for schools, when it's students won't be able to get jobs that will afford them the ability to pay those loans back?

    Especially when these for-profit schools are many times more expense than non-profit schools who's degrees are actually worth something?
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    If the metric is applied fairly, then I do not see a problem. If your school is producing educated students who can make a career in the workforce that gives them the abili to pay their student loans, then you should have no problem passing the metric. There are a ton of crap schools out there that are degree mills. Especially the ones where you pay a tuition per semester and take as many classes as you want.

    And I don't have numbers, just speculation, but I imagine some of the larger, more etablished schools, wouldn't necessarily fall below the metric (DeVry, ITT). My uncle went to DeVry years and years ago and was able to quite nicely for himself. I'm thinking of some of the smaller "for profit" schools - the low hanging fruit - the ones that all you have to have to enroll is a pulse. Kids go to those schools because (for whatever reason) they cannot get into more established schools...pay them money on promises of a good paying career - paid for by student loans that the government gives the schools. Then they get their paper diploma, put together their resumes, and cannot get a job any better than they could get before they went.

    For those schools, I think this metric will flush them out. And I could be wrong on the bigger schools...again, just going off of my gut here...but I would think the larger schools (especially technical) wouldn't be hurt by this law.

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    It's just another way to control people. Give it time and the curriculum of the colleges will be threatened with loss of funding if the government doesn't agree with it. That's probably already happening, since most of the "for-profit" schools tend to be more "conservative" (or, more accurately, less "liberal") than the others.

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    LOL. Everything is a government conspiracy to reduce liberty, huh?

    Well, I'll say this, you've got the radical libertarian talking points down to a science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    LOL. Everything is a government conspiracy to reduce liberty, huh?

    Well, I'll say this, you've got the radical libertarian talking points down to a science.
    Not a conspiracy. Conspiracy requires collaboration. This is all done by one person who has stated several times that he no longer cares what people think of him because he won't come up for re-election again.

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    I'm still laughing at you. Do you realize how ridiculous you appear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    I'm still laughing at you. Do you realize how ridiculous you appear?
    Glad I could provide some entertainment.

    It's not about anybody reducing liberty. I wasn't talking about liberty at all. I was talking about schools promoting liberal views being viewed as being more deserving schools for funding.

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    Re: Colleges may get new rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by TSat75 View Post
    And I don't have numbers, just speculation, but I imagine some of the larger, more etablished schools, wouldn't necessarily fall below the metric (DeVry, ITT). My uncle went to DeVry years and years ago and was able to quite nicely for himself.
    There are possible explanations for why your uncle did so well. Including, but not limited to, the following:

    1. He may have already had experience in his major.

    2. A degree probably wasn't required for the job anyway.

    3. If it was "years and years ago," as you said, a degree from a for-profit school was more likely to hold SOME weight, since not everyone and their mother was getting degrees back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    That's probably already happening, since most of the "for-profit" schools tend to be more "conservative" (or, more accurately, less "liberal") than the others.
    Oh, come on! You sound like WJ5 right now - shit like this shouldn't be coming from you.

    If for-profit schools are "conservative," it's only to extent that they exist to make money. Other than that, they don't give a damn about indoctrinating students into a political ideology. Hell, they don't even give a damn about EDUCATING their students; or whether or not their product does what they say it does - provide credentials that employers want. They care about money. That's IT.

    Your more conservative schools tend to be the religiously affiliated ones; like Regents U and Liberty U.

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