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    Liberal non-sense.

    Ok, I would let this go if the boy was asked to cover the guns dipicted on the shirt, but the words "2nd Amendment Shall not be Infringed" was what the vice principle considered "incite or encourage 'violent activities'". This is stupidity in the fullests. How can liberal public schools adhere so strickly to the fiction of "seperation of God and state" being in the constitution, but claim its their right to restrict freedom of speech and promotion of the second amendment? This boy said he had worn this shirt and several like it all year, how many times had this school been shot up as a result of his shirt? Politically correct is different than being correct.
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    Re: Liberal non-sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Ok, I would let this go if the boy was asked to cover the guns dipicted on the shirt, but the words "2nd Amendment Shall not be Infringed" was what the vice principle considered "incite or encourage 'violent activities'". This is stupidity in the fullests. How can liberal public schools adhere so strickly to the fiction of "seperation of God and state" being in the constitution, but claim its their right to restrict freedom of speech and promotion of the second amendment? This boy said he had worn this shirt and several like it all year, how many times had this school been shot up as a result of his shirt? Politically correct is different than being correct.
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    The kid was trying to start a ruckus and the school fell for it, thus stirring up the "Assault on our Freedoms" crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Alfredo View Post
    The kid was trying to start a ruckus and the school fell for it, thus stirring up the "Assault on our Freedoms" crowd.
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    If his shirt touted the 14th amendment do you think they would have asked him to turn it inside out?
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    Re: Liberal non-sense.

    Heck, they would most likely have made him a star for that!

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    So, let's see...after reading the article, the kid had knowing and repeatedly violated the school dress code, had previously complied with requests to correct his violations, and this time decided he wouldn't. This isn't about the 2nd amendment or the NRA or "liberal schools"...it's about a teenager being a brat.

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    Re: Liberal non-sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by imnohero View Post
    So, let's see...after reading the article, the kid had knowing and repeatedly violated the school dress code, had previously complied with requests to correct his violations, and this time decided he wouldn't. This isn't about the 2nd amendment or the NRA or "liberal schools"...it's about a teenager being a brat.
    Actually, you're right. It's not about the 2nd...it's about the 1st. I'm pretty sure the 1st protects people's right to be an annoying brat, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

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    blah blah blah... not everything is a "constitutional rights" issue.

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    I don't necessarily have a problem with banning the shirt -- schools can choose to be 'gun free zones' and prohibit the possession or representation / images of a gun on campus.

    What does bother me is the reason the school cited for asking him to remove or cover the shirt: "Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”

    Yes, there are images of rifles on the shirt which if they cited the imagery that would be sufficient; however saying that the message of the shirt (pro-2d Amendment wording on the shirt) is inciting violence is a bit much.

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    It's a tough issue to really apply the "Second Amendment" or any other amendment for that matter. Part of the probelem is the very nature of the "Public School System". Is it "government" or isn't it? Would we extend "free speech" to include having our very young kids forcibly exposed to extreme material (say pornographic or extremely violent content) or should we give the schools (especially via a PTA) some leeway in controlling what they are exposed to in the hallways? Me personally I think the issue is that we even have what's known as "public schools" in the fashion that we have them. If our system allowed for more "school choice" we wouldn't have this problem to the extent that we do. If you want to send your kid to a grammar school that would have them proficient in six forms of weapons and three martial art forms, that would be your option. If you wanted to send your kid to school that prohibits even pointing your fingers in the shape of a gun, that would also be your option. The system we have right now would pretty much force you to pay effectively for both even while your children are only attending one of the two.
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    blah, blah, blah Not everything IS a constitutional rights issue. But some are political issues and that is what is wrong here. It wasn't the muskets pictured on the back of the shirt that caused the decision to ban the shirt. It was an unpopular political position. Unpopular with a particular segment of society. The wording in their dress code is so ambivalent they could choose next Monday to ban the color green. The silly thing is that they end up accomplishing exactly what they claim to be attempting to stop...................publicity for the issue and polarization of the population. This all sounds familiar doesn't it?
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