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    Poor 70gto, this thread didn't do him much good, but that is exactly the image of the type of troop his OP conjured.
    We once had a guy in my squadron, his name was Sergeant, who took 30 days of leave 31 days before his annual PT test. This dude spent the 30 days of leave in his dorm room eating pizza and playing World of Warcraft. He literally didn't leave his room for 30 straight days. The smell got so bad that they did an on-the-spot inspection the day he came back from leave (without a clean uniform or a haircut) and they had to wear masks to go into his room. Later that morning he needed to take his PT test.

    Our squadron would try to do tests for everyone around the same time so sometimes other flights would be at the base track doing their PT tests on the same day. My buddy shows up to test some of our guys and this kid Sergeant is hunched over, puking on the ground. My buddy goes up to his PTL and says "How did his run go?" The PTL replies "He hasn't done it, yet. He just finished sit-ups."
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    Re: Can the Flight CC implement mandatory off-duty PT?

    Quote Originally Posted by jshiver15 View Post
    We once had a guy in my squadron, his name was Sergeant, who took 30 days of leave 31 days before his annual PT test. This dude spent the 30 days of leave in his dorm room eating pizza and playing World of Warcraft. He literally didn't leave his room for 30 straight days. The smell got so bad that they did an on-the-spot inspection the day he came back from leave (without a clean uniform or a haircut) and they had to wear masks to go into his room. Later that morning he needed to take his PT test.

    Our squadron would try to do tests for everyone around the same time so sometimes other flights would be at the base track doing their PT tests on the same day. My buddy shows up to test some of our guys and this kid Sergeant is hunched over, puking on the ground. My buddy goes up to his PTL and says "How did his run go?" The PTL replies "He hasn't done it, yet. He just finished sit-ups."
    I think every squadron I was in had a couple of dudes like that, but I was intel for most of my career, the WoW kids seem very adept at being linguists.

    Still, SF had it's share of them too. We had one dude who earned the nickname Roach Coach because he always took an incredible amount of junk food snacks out to post with him. I'll never forget seeing this guy walk a boundary sentry post, with a family sized bag of Cool Ranch Doritos.

    I was on a vehicle patrol with him one night and he pulled out three cans of Vienna Sausages. On his second can, I started slamming on the brakes or stomping on the accelerator each time he tried to extract a sausage from the can. He finally dropped one and I thought the guy was going to shoot me.

    He got on the radio and called the Flight Chief, who tried very hard to keep a straight face while he admonished me for being reckless with the vehicle. Later that night, the Flight Chief had an exercise and our vehicle was simulated disabled and we had to respond on foot about a mile from our current location. A clear message for us to learn to get along.

    I gleefully trotted along beside this guy singing an impromptu song about Vienna Sausages. It is truly a wonder that guy didn't kill me, he was the size of a barn.

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    Re: Can the Flight CC implement mandatory off-duty PT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I think every squadron I was in had a couple of dudes like that, but I was intel for most of my career, the WoW kids seem very adept at being linguists.

    Still, SF had it's share of them too. We had one dude who earned the nickname Roach Coach because he always took an incredible amount of junk food snacks out to post with him. I'll never forget seeing this guy walk a boundary sentry post, with a family sized bag of Cool Ranch Doritos.

    I was on a vehicle patrol with him one night and he pulled out three cans of Vienna Sausages. On his second can, I started slamming on the brakes or stomping on the accelerator each time he tried to extract a sausage from the can. He finally dropped one and I thought the guy was going to shoot me.

    He got on the radio and called the Flight Chief, who tried very hard to keep a straight face while he admonished me for being reckless with the vehicle. Later that night, the Flight Chief had an exercise and our vehicle was simulated disabled and we had to respond on foot about a mile from our current location. A clear message for us to learn to get along.

    I gleefully trotted along beside this guy singing an impromptu song about Vienna Sausages. It is truly a wonder that guy didn't kill me, he was the size of a barn.
    That's an awesome story. I used to work in missile comm. There was a guy that I just didn't like and he didn't like me. Absolutely no reason either. Had to go to the missile field one day, furthest site. The boss had put just me and this guy on the trip. It was very seldom 2 folks that would go, usually 3 or 4. Guess he figured we'd beat the hell out of one another and that would be the end of it. We rode for about an hour in complete silence. Finally, he said " I don't like you". I told him the same and that was about it. We chatted a little about it but never did get past it. Weird.

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    First, unless the flight CC is on G-series orders and has UCMJ authority, he's not a "real" CC, just in title only. Second, if PT is so important to this guy, schedule it during "normal" duty hours. And all this misguided emphasis on PT got me to thinking...wonder if there's any correlation between someone's PT score, their job proficiency, and EPRs/OPRs? Me personally, I'd rather have troops that know their jobs forwards and backwards, and couldn't care less about their PT scores. MIght have avoided something like those live nukes being loaded and flown across the country...

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    Re: Can the Flight CC implement mandatory off-duty PT?

    PT is part of your job!

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    So my 2 cents. The easy fix for any of this is for the guy to just change the normal duty hours for another 2 hours before or after and problem solved. I think the guy was more bitching than expecting anything to change.

    Quote Originally Posted by socal1200r View Post
    First, unless the flight CC is on G-series orders and has UCMJ authority, he's not a "real" CC, just in title only. Second, if PT is so important to this guy, schedule it during "normal" duty hours. And all this misguided emphasis on PT got me to thinking...wonder if there's any correlation between someone's PT score, their job proficiency, and EPRs/OPRs? Me personally, I'd rather have troops that know their jobs forwards and backwards, and couldn't care less about their PT scores. MIght have avoided something like those live nukes being loaded and flown across the country...
    I dont think anything would have matter and those nukes would have flown. The problem is that those people are bored with their jobs and stoped caring. Or maybe that care but runing the same checklist over and over gets old and things will get dropped. The fix is to rotate out the people so the ones running the checklist are new and still learning. They will keep the attention to detail while the other person should be someone who has been there a long time and likely knows everything inside and out.

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    Re: Can the Flight CC implement mandatory off-duty PT?

    Quote Originally Posted by socal1200r View Post
    First, unless the flight CC is on G-series orders and has UCMJ authority, he's not a "real" CC, just in title only. Second, if PT is so important to this guy, schedule it during "normal" duty hours. And all this misguided emphasis on PT got me to thinking...wonder if there's any correlation between someone's PT score, their job proficiency, and EPRs/OPRs? Me personally, I'd rather have troops that know their jobs forwards and backwards, and couldn't care less about their PT scores. MIght have avoided something like those live nukes being loaded and flown across the country...
    Luckily, this topic has never been discussed before. Hold on...let me check...yep...no threads about work proficiency vs. other components. Glad you brought this up. Maybe now we can finally get it straightened out.

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    Re: Can the Flight CC implement mandatory off-duty PT?

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Luckily, this topic has never been discussed before. Hold on...let me check...yep...no threads about work proficiency vs. other components. Glad you brought this up. Maybe now we can finally get it straightened out.
    Luckily, you have never been discussed before.

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