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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    the War-on-Poverty can never be won
    That is sufficient
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    Re: Here's my idea.

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    That is sufficient
    True, you will always have people with less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    True, you will always have people with less.
    As to the personal responsibility elements, agree completely. The statistics themselves are not all that impressive. ~0.7% of the total prison population on simple possession charges, ~0.1% first time offenders. My personal big issue with the War on Drugs in general is it creates a black market of a variety, as does any type of prohibition. The very predictable results of a prominent black market is that violence and other criminal activities always seem to get roped in along with it when it exists, especially in low income areas. Decriminalizing the activities takes the power away from the drug lords because they no longer control the supply side of the exchange.
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    Re: Here's my idea.

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    And to me, those who are against it (cause it might cost more than it might save) are the same sort of people who don't want to push other fraud catching initiatives and the like.
    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Yes, its about where the tax dollars are going. Are they going to people who need it or to people that use it for drug money. 2% in voter fraud could have meant Having Romney elected over Obama, but lets minimalize what 2% actually means right?
    What the two above quotes seem to be proving is that when people complain about where their tax dollars are going in terms of public assistance, it's really a bullshit façade. This, right here, shows that people who complain about this simply want to engage in malicious behavior towards people on public assistance. And they're willing to pay more in taxes in order to do it. Tsk, tsk.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Yeah, about that great recovery under Obama and the Kensyen (sp) economics BS, doesnt seem to work so well now does it? But hey, lets cut military spending and retirement cola increases to fix the problem instead of welfare.
    You bitch about cutting the costs of military spending, yet you have a Ron Paul avatar? Oh, the irony!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    What the two above quotes seem to be proving is that when people complain about where their tax dollars are going in terms of public assistance, it's really a bullshit façade. This, right here, shows that people who complain about this simply want to engage in malicious behavior towards people on public assistance. And they're willing to pay more in taxes in order to do it. Tsk, tsk.
    How is drug testing for public assistance "malicious"?

    You bitch about cutting the costs of military spending, yet you have a Ron Paul avatar? Oh, the irony!
    Dude, do you even understand Ron Pauls stance on the military? He doesnt call to cut spending by cutting the force, he is for better R&D procedures like a private company does. Hes for cutting costs by closing bases overseas that have no bearing other than to put political preasure on foreign countries. And to pull out places like Saudi to avoid retribution from some crazed terrorist who may fly planes into buildings. Our government said they did it because they hate our freedom, OBL stated it was because we had people in his country and effecting their political climate. So, what was our response? Less freedom and more troops in the middle east killing more of their citizens and spying on our own. Yeah, figure out RP beliefs before you try to claim "irony". Irony is when people claim to be more enlightened for being liberal when they are illiterati about other peoples views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    True, you will always have people with less.
    And the people in this nation who have "less" have MORE than those in the rest of the world in the same position.
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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post


    You bitch about cutting the costs of military spending, yet you have a Ron Paul avatar? Oh, the irony!
    To be fair, if we followed Ron Paul's vision on what the military should be doing, we'd be in far fewer locations overseas, making the military budget cuts much simpler.

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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    How is drug testing for public assistance "malicious"?
    You can't be serious.

    Dude, do you even understand Ron Pauls stance on the military? He doesnt call to cut spending by cutting the force, he is for better R&D procedures like a private company does. Hes for cutting costs by closing bases overseas that have no bearing other than to put political preasure on foreign countries. And to pull out places like Saudi to avoid retribution from some crazed terrorist who may fly planes into buildings. Our government said they did it because they hate our freedom, OBL stated it was because we had people in his country and effecting their political climate. So, what was our response? Less freedom and more troops in the middle east killing more of their citizens and spying on our own. Yeah, figure out RP beliefs before you try to claim "irony". Irony is when people claim to be more enlightened for being liberal when they are illiterati about other peoples views.
    Negotiating with, and cowering down to the demands of, terrorists. Yep... that's how Ron Paul wants to cut our military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    You can't be serious.
    Yes, yes i am. Just like when I have to pee in a cup when I am "randomly" selected or when someone else goes for a job offer, how is peeing in a cup upon requesting public assistance "malicious"

    Negotiating with, and cowering down to the demands of, terrorists. Yep... that's how Ron Paul wants to cut our military.
    The arrogance that you and many like you have is why so many people hate Americans. When will you get it through your head that just like in America, we shouldnt be telling other people how to live their lives in other parts of the world. Pulling forces out of countries is "cowering down" or "negotiating"? That is such a farce.
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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    You can't be serious.


    I'll never understand why there's an issue with this. If you receive a check from the government, you are essentially a government employee. Every other government employee is subject to pissing in a cup.

    Now I'm all for the government providing rehab for the people receiving assistance. Assistance checks should be tied to attendance. If the people don't show, don't make an effort, then the checks should stop.

    I've heard the claim that drug testing welfare recipients is another racist ploy, just like ID cards. I suppose that's true if one wants to claim that only poor black people use drugs. I highly doubt that is true.

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