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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Sorry, it grew 19%....in 2012. Dont have the numbers on how much its grown since then. I guess I can look later.
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/welf...-trillion-year
    That's 19% for the overall cost of welfare, including new people who had to go on it. Not 19% benefit raises.

    But why is it that if less than 2% of people would be affected by voter ID laws, is it still not still considered racist? 2% of people that have foodstamps popping positive for Drugs shouldnt be on foodstamps. If they have money for drugs, then they have money for food. Hell CO is opening up EBT to be used at pot stores.
    Isn't the argument about where your tax dollars are going? By administering these tests, more of your tax dollars are being spent than what's being saved - in other words, it's a net loss. So... why do you still want to keep pouring money into the drug tests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by retiredAFcivvy View Post
    I realize that not every base is going to use the exact same procedures but in my experience those end of year buydown lists are reviewed by senior management and priorities assigned. If money comes available then those with highest priorities are funded.
    Not by my recollections. Heck most commands i have been at in the navy flat out told everyone TO spam all sorts of orders to 'finish up end of year funds' even if it meant stocking up on stuff not needed, just so it can be spent, so we get the same budget next year.

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    Some of the stuff really gets me. I have an acquaintance that has been on some sort of welfare the entire time I have been in the military....over 18 years. She has been on Food Stamps, housing assistance, and who knows what else. She has a couple of kids by different dads. But her stuff isn't getting cut. She will continue on the welfare wagon forever.
    Our raise was a measly 1%. Welfare recieved a 34% raise. hmmm....No, Obama and liberals dont breed dependency at all. lol
    And you look at how the CBO is stating things will get with Obama care, where people are flat out incentived to NOT work, just so they can keep their govt subsidies for health care, vice actually WORK and lose them, and we are breeding MORE dependency.

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyJ View Post
    I still argue that ALL welfare reciepients should be subject to random drug testing and welfare should have a max time frame for benefits.
    Agreed. If i have to take a drug test to even GET a job (and for some of the places i tried applying for, to even just get my foot in the door for an interview), or to keep it, so too should it be a requirement to get/stay on govt assistance.
    As to that max time benefit, look at how often they have increased the 'unemployment' time, and are arguing yet again about whether to increase it yet again.

    Quote Originally Posted by CYBERFX1024 View Post
    My x-wife is the exact same way. She tries everything she can in order to get benefits. When she had custody of the kids and I was a contractor in Afghan, I was sending back $2k a month, on top of the $1k of childcare every single month. She then went to the DSS and submitted paperwork for food stamps. She got those until they wanted a letter from me saying how much I sent her every single month, she wanted me to write it saying that I gave her $1000 a month overall. I said hell no and she lost food stamps.

    Move forward 1 year and I come back and send $1k a month, and she starts receiving food stamps. DSS comes after me for money, and I give them all the documentation on what I was sending. Lo and behold she was spending the food stamps on cigarettes and to get cash back from stores. She had no job and still does not have job at all.
    And until the govt cracks down on fraudsters like this, and HARD, people will still do it as they see no or little repercussions for those who do get caught.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    You haven't been paying attention lately, then. In Florida, only 2% popped positive. With what it cost for the state to administer the drug test, vs how much the state saved by revoking welfare benefits... Florida actually lost money.
    SO because in ONE state, for the limited time it was up and operational, it only caught 2% of all those tested, it should NOT be done anywhere period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    SO because in ONE state, for the limited time it was up and operational, it only caught 2% of all those tested, it should NOT be done anywhere period?
    Ever heard of "escalation of commitment"? That seems to be the direction where you suggest that lawmakers head.
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    I really get the impression that people who are for the drug testing of welfare recipients don't see the testing as the means to an end, but as the end itself.
    "Well... Uber's going to "driverless" cars soon, and their research probably shows that they're a natural fit (when it comes to getting paid for doing nothing)."
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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    I really get the impression that people who are for the drug testing of welfare recipients don't see the testing as the means to an end, but as the end itself.
    And if their eyes are closed tight enough, and their count long enough, the problem will go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Going through my divorce, mine claimed she had the kids, which she didnt, and recieved at least $300 a month for food stamps. That was also while I was paying for everything but her new trailer rent. Its too easy to get on food stamps.
    Yeah it took me over 4 months in almost constant contact with DSS to actually get out of them hounding me. It took her actually going to jail for heroin possession for her to get off my back, and that was only NC. The stupid c*nt from Davidson County NC DSS actually contacted the county of Los Angles DSS because she figured I was deadbeat before she even talked to me. That took another 5 months and TWO in person visits to get them off my back. I told them that if I have show up again I will bring the children with me.

    Yeah my deadbeat x-wife just got out of jail 3 weeks ago and has only called the kids she "loves so much" twice. She is part of what's wrong with this country today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    I really get the impression that people who are for the drug testing of welfare recipients don't see the testing as the means to an end, but as the end itself.
    And to me, those who are against it (cause it might cost more than it might save) are the same sort of people who don't want to push other fraud catching initiatives and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Jones View Post
    That's 19% for the overall cost of welfare, including new people who had to go on it. Not 19% benefit raises.
    Yeah, about that great recovery under Obama and the Kensyen (sp) economics BS, doesnt seem to work so well now does it? But hey, lets cut military spending and retirement cola increases to fix the problem instead of welfare.

    Isn't the argument about where your tax dollars are going? By administering these tests, more of your tax dollars are being spent than what's being saved - in other words, it's a net loss. So... why do you still want to keep pouring money into the drug tests?
    Yes, its about where the tax dollars are going. Are they going to people who need it or to people that use it for drug money. 2% in voter fraud could have meant Having Romney elected over Obama, but lets minimalize what 2% actually means right?
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    Speaking of expensive, I wonder how much we would save nationally by not incarcerating people who experimented a little with MJ in the wrong place at the wrong time, (and possibly while being the wrong race)?
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    Re: Here's my idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJBIGJ View Post
    Speaking of expensive, I wonder how much we would save nationally by not incarcerating people who experimented a little with MJ in the wrong place at the wrong time, (and possibly while being the wrong race)?
    Where are experimental users of MJ being locked up at?

    The vast majority of states issue citations for small amounts of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. What leads to jail time is repeated offenses.

    While I'll be the first to acknowledge that our War-on-Drugs is a miserable failure, the way you characterize it in that remark is a vast oversimplification of a complex issue with multiple layers of cause and effect.

    I realize you were probably being tongue and cheek with that remark, but the War-on-Poverty can never be won if the poor don't fight it, along side the government.

    Not all poor people use drugs; however, if you are poor and a drug user, I have a hard time justifying any monetary assistance until you clean yourself up.

    An individual choice to stay the fuck away from drugs is the first step in improving one's life. If a person is unwilling to take that first step, how can anyone, or any government program help them?

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