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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

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    Once Afghanistan "closes down," the US will find another area of the world in which to spread freedom and democracy.
    I'm thinking we need to learn how to end a war before we go starting any more of them.
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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo432 View Post
    There are a lot of countries in Africa that make Vietnam look like Grenada on the quagmire scale. That'll be next.
    yup. pretty much this. and were already there. Not a bad place to be deployed now while it's relatively small and off the radar. Once big blue and big green get a hold of it, it will be back to wearing full uniform and battle rattle to take a piss at 2am.

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    In most shops in the AF I think people are being a little bit dishonest about the actual manning level they need. I think just about anyone who has had a MAJCOm level job knows that a lot of the things MAJCOm does in unnecessary. In my shop we are constantly being "tasked" with reports just because someone at MAJCOm was curious. For example, if I initiate a contracting action the money is set aside as an administrative commitment. According to the regualtion the contract should be awarded within 30 days or I should follow up on the document. With that being said it isn't uncommon for me to get a tasker asking about all outstanding commitments some of which are less than a week old. Of course these reports are often pencil whipped because there is no reason for me to check with contracting when a project just started a week ago. So why is someone at MAJCOM reqesting this info? Because they have nothing else to do and they want to micromanage. OPSTEMPO levels would be fine if people at the top would quit sending out taskers just for fun. Some of the things requested can take several hours or even a day to prepare and then someone at the top spends 15 minutes looking at the infomration and moves on to sending the next tasker out.
    I agree that manning is jacked-up out there, although I think it goes both ways depending on circumstances.

    As far as what MAJCOMs and what they want, well they need to do a better job of conveying their messages, but it's tricky. I can't get my desk analyst to tell me in writing that some congressional staffer wants to know how much money was spent on an annual conference, but if I walk over to that person's desk, I can get the truth behind the data call.

    So I think there's usually a valid concern driving these requests, but I think that isn't always communicated very well, and sometimes that's by design. There's usually someone, somewhere, with some significant clout, that wants answers, or at least that's been my experiences.

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Shove_your_stupid_meeting View Post
    I agree that manning is jacked-up out there, although I think it goes both ways depending on circumstances.

    As far as what MAJCOMs and what they want, well they need to do a better job of conveying their messages, but it's tricky. I can't get my desk analyst to tell me in writing that some congressional staffer wants to know how much money was spent on an annual conference, but if I walk over to that person's desk, I can get the truth behind the data call.

    So I think there's usually a valid concern driving these requests, but I think that isn't always communicated very well, and sometimes that's by design. There's usually someone, somewhere, with some significant clout, that wants answers, or at least that's been my experiences.
    I think you are correct but more thought needs to go into these taskings. Most shops have about the right noumber of personnel for day to day operations. If you have some special project you want done you need to understand that it may not be a priority. The biggest problem is these taskings come down and they expect them back in like 1 business day. For example someone might say, "I want to know how much your organization spent on conference travel last year" They will also ask that the information be provided back in categories such as what type of conference (federally funded or not). That information is not always easy to obtain. For fiscal year 14 we have expense codes that would tell us that information. That wasn't the case in some past years. So if MAJCOM is expecting a person to go through thousands of DTS vouchers and determine what they were for they need to allow enough time to get that done. I have also had a similar thing happen with office supplies. Someone actually asked to detremine the amount spent on toner for printers. Since those purchases are made with GPC cards it literally involved looking through hunders of GPC pruchases. That's great if you want the information but it just may not be my highest priority. Saying that you need the inofrmation in 1 days or a few hours is unfair yet it happens all the time.

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne View Post
    yup. pretty much this. and were already there. Not a bad place to be deployed now while it's relatively small and off the radar. Once big blue and big green get a hold of it, it will be back to wearing full uniform and battle rattle to take a piss at 2am.
    At least for the rest of Obama's presidency, future conflicts will look more like our involvement in Libya, Syria, Sudan, and Yemen; and much less like Iraq or Afghanistan.
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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by sigecaps View Post
    At least for the rest of Obama's presidency, future conflicts will look more like our involvement in Libya, Syria, Sudan, and Yemen; and much less like Iraq or Afghanistan.
    So we will provide just enough weapons to the underdog to allow the war to continue for about 2 years longer than it otherwise could have?

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    So we will provide just enough weapons to the underdog to allow the war to continue for about 2 years longer than it otherwise could have?
    As opposed to what, committing an OIF/OEF-scale of forces on the ground? Yes. Yes we do.
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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by sigecaps View Post
    As opposed to what, committing an OIF/OEF-scale of forces on the ground? Yes. Yes we do.
    As opposed to staying out of it. From two of the examples you provided.

    Libya-The war was driven by a social uprising within the country. The people wanted a regime change and they suceeeded. Why should we have joined in? Admittedly, all we provided was mostly just air support. It makes it look like we pick winners and losers in other countries battles.

    Syria-Now because of the situation in Libya people in Syria think we should help them also. We have done a few things but not as much as we did in Syria. The difference here is we are stuck choosing sides. On one side is a regime we don't like and on the other is several of the terrorists we were fighting in Iraq. Because they are in Libya now we call them "freedom fighters" instead of before when they were "terrorists" in Iraq. If we finally do decide to step in and pick a winner what will that say for other countries?


    If we provide any more support in Syria we almost have to help out in Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, etc.

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy View Post
    As opposed to staying out of it. From two of the examples you provided.

    Libya-The war was driven by a social uprising within the country. The people wanted a regime change and they suceeeded. Why should we have joined in? Admittedly, all we provided was mostly just air support. It makes it look like we pick winners and losers in other countries battles.

    Syria-Now because of the situation in Libya people in Syria think we should help them also. We have done a few things but not as much as we did in Syria. The difference here is we are stuck choosing sides. On one side is a regime we don't like and on the other is several of the terrorists we were fighting in Iraq. Because they are in Libya now we call them "freedom fighters" instead of before when they were "terrorists" in Iraq. If we finally do decide to step in and pick a winner what will that say for other countries?


    If we provide any more support in Syria we almost have to help out in Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, etc.
    It's almost as if the threat and operational environment in every country is unique and requires unique answers.

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    Re: OPSTEMPO during drawdown

    Quote Originally Posted by sigecaps View Post
    It's almost as if the threat and operational environment in every country is unique and requires unique answers.
    So you're saying not all wars end with less than 100 hours of ground combat and a ticker tape parade.
    Imagine that...
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