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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I think the government knows what is best for you; plus, that extra twenty bucks copayment will help an undocumented new American get the health benefits they deserve.

    This new healthcare program is about diet, not diabetes! So you better start eating right and don't be a burden to the system.
    I just believe the politicians are in bed with someone raking in the cash while staying in power by enacting new laws that they feed the population as "good for you" and try to curve the outrage over the unintended consequences.
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    It will be interesting to see how the Dems in the Senate run on the ACA during the 2014 elections. They voted for it without reading it. To be fair, the Reps voted against it without reading it.
    Nancy Pelosi was right, but they should have read it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71Fish View Post
    It will be interesting to see how the Dems in the Senate run on the ACA during the 2014 elections. They voted for it without reading it. To be fair, the Reps voted against it without reading it.
    Nancy Pelosi was right, but they should have read it anyway.
    I really can't wait to see what they run on actually. It's kind of hard to reason with someone about how their healthcare is better for them when they are on average going to be paying 40% more with a higher deductible for healthcare.

    Try telling people that they are better off with less money in the bank due to paying more for insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I think the government knows what is best for you; plus, that extra twenty bucks copayment will help an undocumented new American get the health benefits they deserve.
    This new healthcare program is about diet, not diabetes! So you better start eating right and don't be a burden to the system.
    I know you are just trolling to get a response out of me but I ain't fooling for it. Illegal aliens don't "deserve" any kind of healthcare, let alone anything else. I already do eat right, and exercise everyday out here in the civilian world. I can think of a lot of other things that the extra $20 could go for than for paying for ACA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe Anecdote View Post
    I think the government knows what is best for you; plus, that extra twenty bucks copayment will help an undocumented new American get the health benefits they deserve.

    This new healthcare program is about diet, not diabetes! So you better start eating right and don't be a burden to the system.
    The funniest part about the illegal immigration angle of this is that the government just incentivized companies to hire illegals even more so than they do now. Illegal aliens are not subject to the ACA, so employers do not have to offer them insurance...i.e. cheaper for employers. On top of that, illegals will still simply use ER's for their healthcare, while we continue to foot the bill on top of the increased costs due to the ACA. Awesome.

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    Re: You Can Keep Your Healthcare?

    All of you are making excellent points for a single payer system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFcynic View Post
    All of you are making excellent points for a single payer system.
    Why is that? So we can pay for more stuff we dont want or need? How does a single payer system equate to better prices or service? What typically happens in a monopoly? How well does social security work as a single payer system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFcynic View Post
    All of you are making excellent points for a single payer system.
    Actually, we are making the point that the ACA sucks and the people responsible for its passage should be held responsible for the damage it has caused and the damage it will continue to cause without major changes.

    Single payer is not even part of this discussion, but if that's the end goal, it should be put out there without the lies, without the gimmicks that the proponents ofthe ACA put out there and we'll see if it passes.

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    Question. Will there be people becoming doctors or nurses if the government takes over health insurance totally for a single payer system. Doctors already refuse to take medicare and medicaide because the government wont pay the prices the doctors price for their services. Doctors fees are set by the price the have for their malpractice insurance, labs, equipment and most importantly, their college loans. Malpractice insurance will still be going up. Labs and equipment are going to be more expensive because ACA puts a tax on those items. And the most ironic thing of all, college tuition keeps going up exponetially because of the government backing of college loans through Sally Mae. My college alone has gone up $175 a class in the past 3 years and that is just for an associates. How do we ever expect doctors to pay off their $200k-500k student loans when the government will stiffle their pay? The only other thing a doctor can do will be to take 10 mins with each patient and turn them out as fast as possible. Who really believes that is a good thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Question. Will there be people becoming doctors or nurses if the government takes over health insurance totally for a single payer system. Doctors already refuse to take medicare and medicaide because the government wont pay the prices the doctors price for their services. Doctors fees are set by the price the have for their malpractice insurance, labs, equipment and most importantly, their college loans. Malpractice insurance will still be going up. Labs and equipment are going to be more expensive because ACA puts a tax on those items. And the most ironic thing of all, college tuition keeps going up exponetially because of the government backing of college loans through Sally Mae. My college alone has gone up $175 a class in the past 3 years and that is just for an associates. How do we ever expect doctors to pay off their $200k-500k student loans when the government will stiffle their pay? The only other thing a doctor can do will be to take 10 mins with each patient and turn them out as fast as possible. Who really believes that is a good thing?
    Nobody. Not even the people pushing it. Just another way for people to give themselves another pat on the back because they can say they gave everyone "healthcare", no matter how bad it is.

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