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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bry279 View Post
    Thanks I was just curious because a friend sent me a link with conflicting info. If you know the afi I wouldn't mind looking at it. Thanks
    What job are you looking at on the outside? If you don't mind me asking. Make sure that it is a sure thing and not just a "conditional" offer.

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bry279 View Post
    Thanks I was just curious because a friend sent me a link with conflicting info. If you know the afi I wouldn't mind looking at it. Thanks
    Administrative Separation.

    AFI 36-3208 for active duty enlisted members,

    AFI 36-3206, Administrative Discharge Procedures for Commissioned Officers, for active duty officers,

    AFI 36-3209, Separation and Retirement Procedures for Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Members, for all ARC members

    I'm going to assume you're enlisted since the bulk of our force is.


    It is considered "Unsatisfactory Performance":


    Quote Originally Posted by AFI 36-3208

    5.26. Criteria. Airmen are subject to discharge for unsatisfactory performance based on documented failure to meet Air Force standards. Commanders must weigh an airman's conduct, military deportment, and duty performance against those of other airmen of like grade, age, and length of service. While unsatisfactory performance may be due to one flaw in a member's abilities, it is shown as a rule, in more than one way. When this is the case, the recommendation for discharge for unsatisfactory performance should cite all the deficiencies that were not overcome by counseling and rehabilitation. One or more of the following may be used as the basis for discharge under this provision:
    5.26.1. Unsatisfactory duty performance:
    5.26.1.1. Failure to perform assigned duties properly.
    5.26.1.2. A progressively downward trend in performance ratings.
    5.26.1.3. Failure to demonstrate the qualities of leadership required by the member's grade.
    5.26.2. Failure to maintain standards of dress and personal appearance (other than fitness standards) or military deportment.
    5.26.3. Failure to progress in military training required to be qualified for service with the Air Force or for performance of primary duties.
    5.26.4. Irresponsibility in the management of personal finances.
    5.26.5. Unsanitary habits such as repeated infection of venereal disease, persistent refusal to bathe, and similar refusal to observe personal hygiene.
    5.26.6. Failure to meet minimum fitness standards. Airmen who fail to meet minimum standards of fitness for reasons not amounting to disability may be discharged. Follow the procedures for fitness management according to current Fitness Program AFI before starting action to discharge. Make sure the case file shows the record of those actions.
    Separation is considered honorable:

    Quote Originally Posted by AFI 36-3208
    5.28.2. The service of airmen discharged for unsatisfactory performance will be characterized as honorable or general (instructions for service characterization in Chapter 1, Section 1B, apply). However, if the sole reason for separation is for failure to meet physical fitness standards, then only an honorable characterization may be given.
    No separation pay is authorized:

    Quote Originally Posted by AFI 36-3208
    Chapter 9
    SEPARATION PAY

    9.1. General Procedures. All the basic criteria below defining eligibility for separation pay must be met before a member is eligible for payment.
    9.1.1. The member is on active duty (AD) and has completed at least 6 years, but fewer than 20 years of active service; active service does not have to be continuous.
    9.1.2. The member must not separate at his/her own request. (However, after a member has been formally and officially denied reenlistment or continuation on active duty, the member may request an earlier separation from AD without loss of separation pay.) Consider as a separation at the member's own request, the following:
    9.1.2.1. A member who declines training for a new skill as a precondition to reenlistment or continuation on AD.
    9.1.2.2. A member who declines to test for promotion or declines the promotion and is subsequently separated under a high year of tenure program.
    9.1.2.3. A member who requests voluntary separation under any of the provisions in Chapter 2 or Chapter 3 of this directive, except when member has been denied reenlistment or continuation on AD.
    9.1.2.4. A member who declines to get the required retainability for permanent change of station.
    9.1.3. The member must not separate during the initial enlistment. Members who complete their initial enlistment of 4 or 6 years and who are involuntarily separated while on an extension of their enlistment and have more than 6 years of active service are eligible for separation pay.
    9.1.4. The member is not being dropped from Air Force rolls and is not eligible for retirement at time of separation.
    9.1.5. The member is not separated for "misconduct" or "unsatisfactory performance" as defined in Chapter 5, Section 5E and Section 5H.
    9.1.6. The member is not separated as a result of a court-martial sentence.
    9.1.7. The member is not separated with a service characterization of under other than honorable conditions.
    9.1.8. The member must agree in writing to serve in the Ready Reserve for at least 3 years following the separation from active duty. A member who qualifies for separation pay (see Figure 9.1), but is unqualified for the Ready Reserves still must agree in writing to serve in the Ready Reserve in order to receive separation pay (see paragraph 9.1.8 second bullet and Table 9.1).
    9.1.8.1. A member who enters into this written agreement and who is qualified to serve in the ready reserve will be released to the Air Force Reserve and his/her agreement mailed to ARPC/ XPX, Denver CO 80280-5000. The only members who, otherwise qualify for ready reserve, will be accepted to enter into ready reserve are those who qualify for full separation pay or are separated for involuntary expiration of term of service. All other members will be discharged.
    9.1.8.2. If the member has a military service obligation that is not completed at the time the member is released from AD, the 3-year obligation will begin on the day after the day on which the member completes his/her obligation.
    9.1.8.3. A member who enters into this written agreement and is not qualified for continuation in the ready reserve will be discharged. A member need not be qualified for reserve duty to meet this condition of eligibility for separation pay.
    Since PT discharges are for "Unsatisfactory Performance," no separation pay authorized.

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Thanks I really appreciate it. I do have a conditional offer for a electrician on locomotives. I am almost about clear all my medical and then I will wait for the final word. I got the job as long as all my medical is squared away which it is.

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    But I also need as much time as I can get so I can get out of the Air Force

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Quote Originally Posted by Class5Kayaker View Post
    Honorable Discharge....ZERO severance pay, but still eligble for GI Bill, Disabilty, etc.

    Too lazy to look up the AFI reference, but let me know if you really need it for some reason and I'll look it up for you.
    I hope someone knows for certain, but I think that one must serve at least 3 years to be eligible for the post 9-11 GI Bill.
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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    I believe that is correct been in 8 years

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bry279 View Post
    I believe that is correct been in 8 years
    Best of luck to you in your transition. It sounds like you will do fine. You have a plan.

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bry279 View Post
    I believe that is correct been in 8 years
    OK - at least you don't have to worry about that! Just looking out.
    When things go wrong in your command, start searching for the reason in increasingly larger concentric circles around your own desk.
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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Thanks everyone for the help. Like I said Air Force is great but I have never kept up well with weight standards. I can run decent and the rest but my waist is horrible. I just took a strength test for my new job and did well that made me feel good. It wasn't easy either ugh. Again thank you and hopefully this will help others .

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    Re: Severance Pay requirments? PT Failure admin discharge

    Only seen severance pay once as it relates to PT, but that's because we had a really good commander, and it wasn't technically due to PT failures. The guy had been in 12 years (was a SSgt). The Commander took a stripe, making him a SrA, putting him over HYT, thus the "severance pay". That's kind of a roundabout way to get it, though.

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